Valley of Smoke - Page 5

Plant Vochestra · 10-13-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by illuminatiano

I wish I wouldn't have to deal with you brainless sheep peasants.

Watch out, here comes Cedric with his guillotine.

Alec · 10-13-2010, 12:41 AM

Being called a brainless sheep peasant is the ultimate insult in France.

v2kv · 10-13-2010, 12:48 AM

I actually can't get through this album a second time around. I just found it really boring, and felt like going back to Void.

handofstone · 10-13-2010, 08:35 AM

This album kind of reminds me of Tool's Lateralus when it came out. I remember liking it but thought it was kind of boring and not nearly as good as the previous releases. Who would of thought, years later it had become the best album they ever wrote. I get that feeling from Valley of Smoke.

Griever · 10-13-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by handofstone

This album kind of reminds me of Tool's Lateralus when it came out. I remember liking it but thought it was kind of boring and not nearly as good as the previous releases. Who would of thought, years later it had become the best album they ever wrote. I get that feeling from Valley of Smoke.

cloudscollide · 10-13-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by handofstone

This album kind of reminds me of Tool's Lateralus when it came out. I remember liking it but thought it was kind of boring and not nearly as good as the previous releases. Who would of thought, years later it had become the best album they ever wrote. I get that feeling from Valley of Smoke.

Kind of interesting. I can see that MAYBE. That could stay true if years down the line you also realize Valley of Smoke is years ahead of its time, which it won't be, and that it's one of the top 3 greatest records ever written..

No but I see your point and this CD could end up being their best at one point.

I went back and listened to Null for the first time in years. Holy shit that EP is angry and awesome. Forgot how good those tracks were.

handofstone · 10-13-2010, 12:39 PM

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I went back and listened to Null for the first time in years. Holy shit that EP is angry and awesome. Forgot how good those tracks were.

Which is exactly how I feel about Tool. I see what you mean, also. I think this the right direction for the band.

Nun Stampede! · 10-13-2010, 12:41 PM

SHut up, chris.

cloudscollide · 10-13-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nun Stampede!

SHut up, chris.

v2kv · 10-13-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by handofstone

This album kind of reminds me of Tool's Lateralus when it came out. I remember liking it but thought it was kind of boring and not nearly as good as the previous releases. Who would of thought, years later it had become the best album they ever wrote. I get that feeling from Valley of Smoke.

Lol, this is a nonsensical comparison, because Lateralus actually did something new for Tool, whereas Valley of Smoke did nothing new for Intronaut. It rehashed old ideas, for the most part, but somehow made them less memorable. I have no idea how either of you can think that this album would be that good down the line, with albums like Prehistoricisms and Void in their discography.

handofstone · 10-13-2010, 02:53 PM

You haven't even given the album a second chance. You wrote it off, quick. It's far from boring.
also, This is definitely a different direction for Intronaut...how is it not?

Griever · 10-13-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by v2kv

Lol, this is a nonsensical comparison, because Lateralus actually did something new for Tool, whereas Valley of Smoke did nothing new for Intronaut. It rehashed old ideas, for the most part, but somehow made them less memorable. I have no idea how either of you can think that this album would be that good down the line, with albums like Prehistoricisms and Void in their discography.

I think singing with clean vocals should be considered doing something "new" when they haven't approached anything close to it in the past.

It's too bad you don't enjoy this album.

v2kv · 10-13-2010, 02:59 PM

I've tried to listen to it a couple of times, but I find myself unable to even get through the first half or so. The last few songs are good; my dislike for that comparison has nothing to do with boredom, though, if you read what I said.

handofstone · 10-13-2010, 03:03 PM

I was only comparing because of how both bands tried something different and it took awhile to sink in, not comparing the two bands or albums.

v2kv · 10-13-2010, 03:10 PM

Lol, I don't really care for the clean vocals, because it isn't anything new to their genre. Adding clean vocals in extreme music is also the most typical move of all, when a band is trying to remove itself from the crowd, so it doesn't really strike me as different.

rawkuout · 10-13-2010, 04:22 PM

Why do you insist on being such a downer? just cuz it isn't the newest revelation in their "genre" doesn't mean it's a terrible album. I mean, if you don't like it, you don't like it, but your reasoning seems retarded.

handofstone · 10-13-2010, 04:25 PM

I didn't even notice the "genre" part. So, Tool did something new to the progressive genre?

v2kv · 10-13-2010, 04:48 PM

For one, I never said it was a terrible album, but it doesn't compare to the rest of their work. Because of that, I found the Tool comparison retarded, since that is a career-defining work for them. Tool made an opus for modern progressive music with Lateralus, and Intronaut added clean vocals on Valley of Smoke. The only thing I can think of that is amazing on it is the production, but the music really gets monotonous at certain points.

ceddeeoo · 10-13-2010, 05:57 PM

You guys should check out The Challenger EP. It was done right before prehistoricisms, sounds a lot like Void but with prehistoricisms' production values. It's actually a bit different than anything else they've ever done, less groove based but still really heavy and awesome.

Nun Stampede! · 10-13-2010, 05:59 PM

Is there some song called Whittler of Fortune or something like that on it?

ceddeeoo · 10-13-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nun Stampede!

Is there some song called Whittler of Fortune or something like that on it?

Yeah

Griever · 10-13-2010, 07:08 PM

The Challenger was sick! I still spin that EP from time to time.

handofstone · 10-14-2010, 01:06 AM

For any of you not digging this, I'm sorry.

Alec · 10-14-2010, 01:13 AM

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For any of you not digging this, I'm sorry.

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For any of you not digging this, I'm sorry.

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handofstone · 10-14-2010, 01:15 AM

...and?

Oleg · 10-14-2010, 02:43 AM

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lol really?

dangerass · 10-14-2010, 10:06 AM

It seems all that most people care about is if a band makes every album sound completely different from one another. It seems a lot of people only care if bands try new shit and don't pay attention to how well they execute their new direction. Intronaut has progressed enough to keep their sound fresh, but retained enough of their core sound, to prevent alienating the people that have been listening to them all along. I rather a band progress naturally than force progression.

label thief · 10-14-2010, 11:50 AM

people complain about everything.

v2kv · 10-14-2010, 11:52 AM

If you are referring to what I said, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

ceddeeoo · 10-14-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dangerass

I rather a band progress naturally than force progression.

btbam much?

10-13-2010, 12:41 AM	#122
Alec Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto maybe Posts: 4,290 Rep Power: 11	Being called a brainless sheep peasant is the ultimate insult in France. __________________

10-13-2010, 12:48 AM	#123
v2kv BUGU Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 9,271 Rep Power: 15	I actually can't get through this album a second time around. I just found it really boring, and felt like going back to Void. __________________

10-13-2010, 08:35 AM	#124
handofstone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 732 Rep Power: 0	This album kind of reminds me of Tool's Lateralus when it came out. I remember liking it but thought it was kind of boring and not nearly as good as the previous releases. Who would of thought, years later it had become the best album they ever wrote. I get that feeling from Valley of Smoke. __________________

10-13-2010, 12:41 PM	#128
Nun Stampede! Lives in a houseboat Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mass Posts: 10,307 Rep Power: 17	SHut up, chris. __________________

10-13-2010, 02:53 PM	#131
handofstone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 732 Rep Power: 0	You haven't even given the album a second chance. You wrote it off, quick. It's far from boring. also, This is definitely a different direction for Intronaut...how is it not? __________________ Last edited by handofstone; 10-13-2010 at 02:57 PM.

10-13-2010, 02:59 PM	#133
v2kv BUGU Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 9,271 Rep Power: 15	I've tried to listen to it a couple of times, but I find myself unable to even get through the first half or so. The last few songs are good; my dislike for that comparison has nothing to do with boredom, though, if you read what I said. __________________

10-13-2010, 03:03 PM	#134
handofstone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 732 Rep Power: 0	I was only comparing because of how both bands tried something different and it took awhile to sink in, not comparing the two bands or albums. __________________

10-13-2010, 03:10 PM	#135
v2kv BUGU Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 9,271 Rep Power: 15	Lol, I don't really care for the clean vocals, because it isn't anything new to their genre. Adding clean vocals in extreme music is also the most typical move of all, when a band is trying to remove itself from the crowd, so it doesn't really strike me as different. __________________

10-13-2010, 04:22 PM	#136
rawkuout rawr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 152 Rep Power: 4	Why do you insist on being such a downer? just cuz it isn't the newest revelation in their "genre" doesn't mean it's a terrible album. I mean, if you don't like it, you don't like it, but your reasoning seems retarded.

10-13-2010, 04:25 PM	#137
handofstone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 732 Rep Power: 0	I didn't even notice the "genre" part. So, Tool did something new to the progressive genre? __________________

10-13-2010, 04:48 PM	#138
v2kv BUGU Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 9,271 Rep Power: 15	For one, I never said it was a terrible album, but it doesn't compare to the rest of their work. Because of that, I found the Tool comparison retarded, since that is a career-defining work for them. Tool made an opus for modern progressive music with Lateralus, and Intronaut added clean vocals on Valley of Smoke. The only thing I can think of that is amazing on it is the production, but the music really gets monotonous at certain points. __________________

10-13-2010, 05:59 PM	#140
Nun Stampede! Lives in a houseboat Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mass Posts: 10,307 Rep Power: 17	Is there some song called Whittler of Fortune or something like that on it? __________________

10-13-2010, 07:08 PM	#142
Griever Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 537 Rep Power: 4	The Challenger was sick! I still spin that EP from time to time. __________________

10-14-2010, 01:06 AM	#143
handofstone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 732 Rep Power: 0	For any of you not digging this, I'm sorry. __________________

10-14-2010, 01:15 AM	#145
handofstone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 732 Rep Power: 0	...and? __________________

10-14-2010, 10:06 AM	#147
dangerass Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 412 Rep Power: 6	It seems all that most people care about is if a band makes every album sound completely different from one another. It seems a lot of people only care if bands try new shit and don't pay attention to how well they execute their new direction. Intronaut has progressed enough to keep their sound fresh, but retained enough of their core sound, to prevent alienating the people that have been listening to them all along. I rather a band progress naturally than force progression.

10-14-2010, 11:50 AM	#148
label thief find them, kill them Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 4,233 Rep Power: 0	people complain about everything. __________________

10-14-2010, 11:52 AM	#149
v2kv BUGU Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 9,271 Rep Power: 15	If you are referring to what I said, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. __________________

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