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Old 03-12-2010, 04:19 PM   #31
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:30 PM   #32
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But isn't she a famed producer?

I also understand she's highly intelligent.

Do the claims then leveled at her that she's worthless and promotes a vapid, consumer rabid culture stand if she understands exactly what she's doing?


I am really interested in all this. That society of the spectacle link is fascinating.
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:44 PM   #33
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But isn't she a famed producer?
Sure. And Andy Warhol was a famed painter and aesthete. That still doesn't change my opinion of their output.

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I also understand she's highly intelligent.

Do the claims then leveled at her that she's worthless and promotes a vapid, consumer rabid culture stand if she understands exactly what she's doing?
Yes. Were Leopold and Loeb (or even, say Rashkolnikov for a fictional example) any less murderers because they intellectualized what they were doing as opposed to, say, a total mental incompetent like Ed Gein or an ignorant pawn who worked as a guard in a death camp (pick any regime)?

Perhaps that's too strong of a comparison. I don't think Lady Gaga's work is on the same level as murder, however I find it to be a rather disgusting symptom of a society that worships money and material glamor as the highest pursuit. It strikes me as funny that we have all these really cheap, liberating ways of creating media and art, especially with the rise of high-definition video, yet, more than ever, most people I know seem to think that creative endeavors aren't worth anything unless it makes a profit. Why are any of us even posting on a death metal board if we're supposed to believe that Gaga is a paragon of artistic success because of her bank account?

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Yeah. I'm no expert, and I haven't read any of Debord's writings first-hand, but I'm (very casually) familiar with some of the Situationist philosophy.

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Old 03-12-2010, 05:00 PM   #34
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I like you Cthulhu. You seem like a smart guy.
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:25 PM   #35
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I like you Cthulhu. You seem like a smart guy.
2nd.

Thanks for posting the vids/links.
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:26 PM   #36
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Do the claims then leveled at her that she's worthless and promotes a vapid, consumer rabid culture stand if she understands exactly what she's doing?
If anything it makes her worse dude. =)
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:38 PM   #37
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It speaks to the innate nature of our species that we're even interested in this retarded bitch, or our society as a whole that we've let this progress as far as we have.

More importantly; Why is this even being discussed in the DM forum?
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:42 PM   #38
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It speaks to the innate nature of our species that we're even interested in this retarded bitch, or our society as a whole that we've let this progress as far as we have.

More importantly; Why is this even being discussed in the DM forum?
Good question... for many threads here. They should rename this forum "tote" discuss.
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:26 PM   #39
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An ugly, wierd bitch.
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:29 PM   #40
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Looks like she took a couple of hard shots to the dome, fo' sho'...
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:39 PM   #41
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still, shit song, stupid video
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:45 PM   #42
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fuckin doom and gism.that is deadly.

don't really give a shit about the song or the vid.im impartial.the virgin advertising is way too fuckin cringe inducing though.
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:47 PM   #43
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the virgin advertising is way too fuckin cringe inducing though.
and Lil' Debbie and Dr. Dre
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:21 PM   #44
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I do not understand the praise for her at all. If she's such an intelligent producer with an interest in bands like Bauhaus and GISM, why doesn't she release something along those lines? The world has heard enough shallow trance pop or whatever the hell it is. Overproduced garbage with videos that cost more than the GDP of Nicaragua.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:21 PM   #45
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Her ex-boyfriend is a death metal drummer, so maybe she does actually like GISM and DOOM?

Maybe she also acknowledges that her music is fairly hollow (Meaning wise) and is just taking us all for a ride?
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:43 PM   #46
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Discussion reminds me of orkestra's avatar; "Fuck art, let's dance".

It comes down to subjective values. When it comes to music some people just want mindless fun. I'm not sure I'm willing to embrace generalized statements about society just because a great number of people were never inclined to foster a sophisticated taste in music. Though I do believe many of these generalized statements to be fairly accurate, I don't think you can draw them from Lady Gaga's popularity.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:45 PM   #47
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I do not understand the praise for her at all. If she's such an intelligent producer with an interest in bands like Bauhaus and GISM, why doesn't she release something along those lines? The world has heard enough shallow trance pop or whatever the hell it is. Overproduced garbage with videos that cost more than the GDP of Nicaragua.
Actually I meant Bauhaus the art movement/design school in pre-WWI Germany, but on a slightly similar note, she does name drop Bowie all the time.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:51 PM   #48
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I do not understand the praise for her at all. If she's such an intelligent producer with an interest in bands like Bauhaus and GISM, why doesn't she release something along those lines? The world has heard enough shallow trance pop or whatever the hell it is. Overproduced garbage with videos that cost more than the GDP of Nicaragua.
Those bands were all about doing whatever you want though.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:58 PM   #49
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Discussion reminds me of orkestra's avatar; "Fuck art, let's dance".

It comes down to subjective values. When it comes to music some people just want mindless fun. I'm not sure I'm willing to embrace generalized statements about society just because a great number of people were never inclined to foster a sophisticated taste in music. Though I do believe many of these generalized statements to be fairly accurate, I don't think you can draw them from Lady Gaga's popularity.
I understand that. I don't have a problem with mindless dance music in theory. My cringe factor was induced by the blatant corporate pimping that pervaded that entire music video and the attempts of that superficial ad spot to appropriate the imagery of blatantly anti-consumerist subcultures.

Now I personally have a strong distaste for glossy dance music, though I'm perfectly fine with dark and hazy stuff like dubstep, trip-hop, hip-hop, and other assorted genres. My problem with the mainstream stuff is how it's always used as a marketing tool to self-congratulate and perpetuate junk culture.

If it were some kids making it in their basement for the enjoyment of making it, I'll support that, but the entire club/dance genre seems to always be a quest for fame and material wealth and the whole media culture - reality shows, music videos, etc. - that it flourishes in has a nauseatingly self-referential quality that only points towards more consumerism. I wouldn't necessarily expect raunchy dance music to sport social/political themes, but it sickens me that the youth culture today has pretty much no interest in what's going on in the world outside their country. This music video was like a showcase of everything I hate about MTV culture - the ultimate point is "buy Virgin Mobile." It's not even just a simple celebration of hedonism. The world it paints doesn't extend beyond the walls of a dance club and that Virgin Mobile cell phone in your hand (and don't forget to buy Polaroid cameras too, kids).
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:13 PM   #50
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Lady Gaga - she should stop now, and be happy with the money she has. Her music and memory should then be systematically wiped from the earth and the history books.
She is one of a VERY small handful of pop "artists" who are at the pinnacle of everything i despise about the music industry.
She is talented on piano, and she wastes any real skill on making $$ for herself and others.
She is also cocky as FUCK, which makes any claim she is aware of what she is doing irrelevant - cos she still thinks she is awesome for what she is doing.

Fuck her. Her time needs to end, now.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:32 PM   #51
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i dont find her attractive at all.
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Old 03-13-2010, 01:53 AM   #52
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Why do I have to read about this here? Fail.
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Old 03-13-2010, 03:12 AM   #53
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Old 03-13-2010, 04:58 AM   #54
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:39 AM   #56
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I think Lady Gaga is kind of cool. She is a tool, used for making record companies $$$'s, but also... I don't know, she's a little different.

I think she's definately a bit crazy, but she's also attractive. She's kind of like the new Bjork, mad as a hatter, but still would. There's something about those crazy chicks, eh?

Strange world.
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I bet the folks at the Westboro Baptist Church are NOT amused.
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