MY REVIEW OF THE NEW ALBUM - ONCE WAS NOT

[Metal Maxima]

I came home rom work on Friday afternoon, and to my delight, had recieved the new Album, Once Was Not, in the mail! I ordered the limited edition version, and the alubum art is VERY cool to say the least. So, I anxiously popped it into the stereo AND...

...this cd SUCKS. Be forewarned ladies and gents, this is not the same Cryptopsy I have come to know and love. Let me state it very simply:

PROS
- Cool cover art
- Flo and the guitarists have NEVER sounded tighter

CONS
- LORD WORM IS TOO OLD TO BE SINGING. HE CANNOT PULL IT OFF ANYMORE; HE SOUNDS LIKE S'HIT!
- HORRIBLE sound & recording quality
- Track 10 touches on some Egyptian riffs; leave that to Nile
- Track 11 has riffs ripped right out of Whisper Supremacy...you'll know them when you hear them
- This whole CD is nothing new, some of the tracks sound like they belong on a *gasp* Candiria CD


Now, I love Cryptopsy an will always be a strong supporter, but let's be serious here. Lord Worm is too old and can no longer pull off the same vocals he did in None so Vile, and they are straying SOOOOOOO far from their metal roots anymore that I can't classify this CD with the like of Nile, Morbid Angel, or Messugah, but only with Dillinger Escape Plan, Cave In, and Candiria.

Cryptopsy ONCE WAS NOT and experimental metal band...I WANT THOSE DAYS BACK.

[self mutilated]

fuck that bullshit.....LORD WORM IS THE BEST FRONTMAN... i've seen him twice and both times he was the most impresive sionger ever...

really if you have heard the other cds you know this is the best cd. and the top of their creativeness....HAIL LORD WORM

[Metal Maxima]

fuck that bullshit.....LORD WORM IS THE BEST FRONTMAN... i've seen him twice and both times he was the most impresive sionger ever...

really if you have heard the other cds you know this is the best cd. and the top of their creativeness....HAIL LORD WORM

Yes, I have all of their other CDS and have been a huge fan for a LONG time. Now, I'm not going to knock their creativity, no...that hails supreme on all accounts.

IMHO, I think that Lord worm is NOT the best frontman, nor will I ever. He sounds like he is stuggling throughout the entire CD and his voice has jumped from baritone to alto between None So Vile and Once Was Not.

I am just more of a death metal purist I suppose, and this ain't quite what I was expecting! :( I know I am not the only one whom thinks this way, but hell...everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[self mutilated]

true i quess we seen two different worms haha... every time i've seen him he has done i min plus screams like no other, and his lows are as good as the old barnes....

with lord he has better lyrics/better arrangements and his style is cryptopsy without him/ those two albums lacked one thing HIM..

as far as the new album i'm a huge oldschool fan so i was thrilled that my fav. frontman came back.. and from hearing the cd he sounds perfect just like the old days...more like blaspemy tho, but with all the wierd vibrato shit and his inhales the album was complete for me i thik it's one of his best cds with them...

[scum]

that review svked

[King]

I came home rom work on Friday afternoon, and to my delight, had recieved the new Album, Once Was Not, in the mail! I ordered the limited edition version, and the alubum art is VERY cool to say the least. So, I anxiously popped it into the stereo AND...

...this cd SUCKS. Be forewarned ladies and gents, this is not the same Cryptopsy I have come to know and love. Let me state it very simply:

PROS
- Cool cover art
- Flo and the guitarists have NEVER sounded tighter

CONS
- LORD WORM IS TOO OLD TO BE SINGING. HE CANNOT PULL IT OFF ANYMORE; HE SOUNDS LIKE S'HIT!
- HORRIBLE sound & recording quality
- Track 10 touches on some Egyptian riffs; leave that to Nile
- Track 11 has riffs ripped right out of Whisper Supremacy...you'll know them when you hear them
- This whole CD is nothing new, some of the tracks sound like they belong on a *gasp* Candiria CD


Now, I love Cryptopsy an will always be a strong supporter, but let's be serious here. Lord Worm is too old and can no longer pull off the same vocals he did in None so Vile, and they are straying SOOOOOOO far from their metal roots anymore that I can't classify this CD with the like of Nile, Morbid Angel, or Messugah, but only with Dillinger Escape Plan, Cave In, and Candiria.

Cryptopsy ONCE WAS NOT and experimental metal band...I WANT THOSE DAYS BACK.


You close minded fool, for disliking that they are straying from their metal roots. You stupid idiot for thinking they have strayed from their metal roots. You claim to be a supporter of the old Cryptopsy... LW vocals on Once Was Not are not all that different from those on Blasphemy Made Flesh, and I've heard that his vocals live are better than those on the album. I have not heard any egyptian influenced riffs yet. A couple of riffs and melodies with a slight middle eastern twist on them, yes, but nothing simply egyptian.

Sound Quality? None So Vile, now theres shitty sound quality. Listen to the OWN drums, and then the NSV drums.

If you can't appreciate a more technical, experimental death metal album, then fuck off and don't bother reviewing it. I know there will be some who hate the new album, but the points you have made above are either contradicted by your support of earlier cryptopsy, or just suck.

[Bitch-Ka-Bob]

- Track 10 touches on some Egyptian riffs; leave that to Nile



Hahahaha that made my day.

[TheNecropsY]

PROS
- Flo and the guitarists have NEVER sounded tighter

CONS
- Track 11 has riffs ripped right out of Whisper Supremacy...you'll know them when you hear them




1: theres only 1 guitarist (you really know what your talking about Eh?)
2: 11 has ripped riffs? uhh ok point it out cus i dont see one
3: people need to shut the fuck up about horrible sound quility
dont like it go listen to some fucking black metal, then be glad how good death metal quility is, untill death metal is the highest payed music industry expect some albums to be less then perfect, that being said, OWN is fucking amazing quility mix imo

i can hear everything great on my stereo/ headphones/ computer, check your systems if you think the production sucks.


oh and heres my pro and con list

Pros:

it fucking owns more then any album this year

cons:

it fucking owns more then any album this year (and some people cant handle that)

zing

-necro

[In Vermis Veritas]

Hmmm, everyone's entitled to their opinions and preferences, but I still cannot wait for the new album. In a world of extreme acts,Cryptopsy is at the forefront for me.

Apart from the relentless brutality and unwavering technicality, it was their musical creativity and left-field turns that won me over... like fellow Quebec legends VoiVod did for thrash, it gave Cryptopsy it's own distinct identity.
As far as production is concerned, not everything can sound like Studio Fredmann. Personally, a rough sound can compliment a band: Stockholm sound anyone?

As far as classic DM is concerned, recently I dug out all my Vincent-era Morbid Angel cds, Dismember's classic "Like An Everflowing Stream" and Origin's awesome "Echoes of Decimation." While being extreme, I know Cryptopsy will be heavy but not conform to conventions. Dillinger Escape Plan and Candiria? Fuck, I really like them too... if Cryptopsy incorporate some of that flavour, it should be interesting. It keeps it fresh for the musicians and the fans. And NO I'm not saying that they should totally sell out and neglect what made them great like In Flames of recent years :emot-puke

The album comes out officially tomorrow, which means Amazon will ship it over to me. I'm beyond overjoyed that LW has returned and I'm not gonna write him off yet. We shall see... On a positive note, I fucking love everything about NSV, but I keep hearing that Present day Lord Worm has made a return to his style on "Blasphemy Made Flesh!" :hbang32en Now that's the shit right there!! The first Cryptopsy album I ever heard, I dug it and LW just blew me away. And let's not forget that album fucking rules and has a rather, erm, "kult" production. Either that or it's mixed way too soft. No prob, just turn it up!! :D

[The Kshatriya]

I like lord worms vocals, but I cant say he is a good front man, but I guess in his own way he is. I think its because of his personality, his personality really shows in his stage presence.

[TheNecropsY]

OK theres no way the new album has candiria influences

its strait up gorguts influcned

i should know iv been listing to it for a month now, quite alot longer then most people have i would immagine

[Metal Maxima]

You close minded fool, for disliking that they are straying from their metal roots.

You stupid idiot for thinking they have strayed from their metal roots. You claim to be a supporter of the old Cryptopsy... LW vocals on Once Was Not are not all that different from those on Blasphemy Made Flesh, and I've heard that his vocals live are better than those on the album. I have not heard any egyptian influenced riffs yet. A couple of riffs and melodies with a slight middle eastern twist on them, yes, but nothing simply egyptian.

Yes, and on the OLD LW vocal tracks, his voice is DEEP. I can pull 10 nameless trogeldites off the street, compare his old vocals with his new, and have a 100% concensus showing that yes, HE IS NOT AS DEEP AS HIS FORMER.

Sound Quality? None So Vile, now theres shitty sound quality. Listen to the OWN drums, and then the NSV drums.

SQ is purley subjective, PERSONALLY I DON'T LIKE.

If you can't appreciate a more technical, experimental death metal album, then fuck off and don't bother reviewing it. I know there will be some who hate the new album, but the points you have made above are either contradicted by your support of earlier cryptopsy, or just suck.

Supporting the band and liking their new album are two different beasts altogether, bud. Yes, I am a huge fan of Cryptopsy. Would I encourage people to check the CD out? Sure. Do I personally like it? No. And I fail to see how I have contradicted myself here. I will await a more succint retort as you have wholly failed to do so at present.

You close minded fool, for disliking that they are straying from their metal roots.

And take a minute and look at what you posted. You have audacity to call ME close minded when you're the one that nearly has a full-out coronary episode because someone posts a review that does not fall in line with that of your own?! THAT'S contradictory. Pot calling the tea kettle black, eh?


Lastly, I find it pathetic that you have to dig so low as to using personal attacks against someone whom offers an opposing view. I'm glad to see that people can have an intelligent, constructive exchange of views regarding the new album, but I guess we had to have some stragglers crawl in from the extreme ends of the bell curve...

[King]

Look... the fact is. You said the CD sucks. It does not suck. You can say you hate it. You can say you think it's the worst album ever. But you cannot say it sucks. Because it doesn't suck. The musicianship is amazing. The complexity of the songs are amazing... and yes, on the album, LW doesn't go very low. That was something that dissappointed me initially, but BMF is old LW... and he doesn't go terribly low there either...... but his screams are fantastic, his mid-range is fantastic, and I"m sure he can still pull off those fucking awesome low growls.... As for LW being too old to be any good at this... you don't pull off 1 minute + screams LIVE if you are too old.


Pot calling the tea kettle black, eh?

and no, it is not. Your last post revieled much more of who you are to me than your initial review, and yes i did go over the top on my initial reply... for that I do apologise... had your initial review showed more of this:

Supporting the band and liking their new album are two different beasts altogether, bud. Yes, I am a huge fan of Cryptopsy. Would I encourage people to check the CD out? Sure. Do I personally like it? No.

then I"d 've understood a littlle more where you were coming from... but in a world where you get little shitty ankle biters new to the band by 2 months, blabbing around about them "losing thier metal roots" (wtf?) etc, i hope you can understand my initial outburst.
ur..

SQ... you're right on that one...

I will await a more succint retort as you have wholly failed to do so at present

You don't like OWN vocals, yet you love the vocals of old. As I pointed out before, BMF is old... BMF vocals are in a similar range to OWN.



the above is a relatively scrambled unorganised post. I'm sure some points i meant to make haven't been made, some have been made more than once, i hope it isn't too hard to read.

[porphyria]

I came home rom work on Friday afternoon, and to my delight, had recieved the new Album, Once Was Not, in the mail! I ordered the limited edition version, and the alubum art is VERY cool to say the least. So, I anxiously popped it into the stereo AND...

...this cd SUCKS. Be forewarned ladies and gents, this is not the same Cryptopsy I have come to know and love. Let me state it very simply:

PROS
- Cool cover art
- Flo and the guitarists have NEVER sounded tighter

CONS
- LORD WORM IS TOO OLD TO BE SINGING. HE CANNOT PULL IT OFF ANYMORE; HE SOUNDS LIKE S'HIT!
- HORRIBLE sound & recording quality
- Track 10 touches on some Egyptian riffs; leave that to Nile
- Track 11 has riffs ripped right out of Whisper Supremacy...you'll know them when you hear them
- This whole CD is nothing new, some of the tracks sound like they belong on a *gasp* Candiria CD


Now, I love Cryptopsy an will always be a strong supporter, but let's be serious here. Lord Worm is too old and can no longer pull off the same vocals he did in None so Vile, and they are straying SOOOOOOO far from their metal roots anymore that I can't classify this CD with the like of Nile, Morbid Angel, or Messugah, but only with Dillinger Escape Plan, Cave In, and Candiria.

Cryptopsy ONCE WAS NOT and experimental metal band...I WANT THOSE DAYS BACK.


+1

I agree. The album should be called FLOTOPSY because the guitars are not presented well in the mix at all. The vocals make me laugh, they remind me of people who make fun of death metal vocals.

I want Mike D. Back.

[Metal Maxima]

+1

I agree. The album should be called FLOTOPSY because the guitars are not presented well in the mix at all. The vocals make me laugh, they remind me of people who make fun of death metal vocals.

I want Mike D. Back.

Could not have said it better myself.

Mike did the greatest version of Graves of the Fathers I have EVER heard. MAN I wish I had a recodring of that.

[Alpha~Omega]

the riffs are memorable.

Thats so damn right, I hope they'll play Endless Cemetery live those riffs were really eating their into my brain the first time I heard them. The only things which I think could have been on the album are the ultra low growls and those maniac screams from NSV, the screams of Worm are a bit different on the new album, but not bad. Those are the only things I , well "miss" is not the right word, but could have been there too. Ah well and
OWN > most of the other 2005 DM releases

:devil:

[oblivious]

this album beats anything any other fuckign metal band is doing this year.
dont get me wrong im a huge metal fan, i live the shit, but, this year, has been pretty disappointing to be honest, sure, new nile was good, but its just another nile album really, nothing different.

at least they did something different

[Cloaca]

Bought the album today.

Those lyrics are great, he's changed his lyric style a bit too since the BMF/NSV days. Buggered if I've figured out what half of the lyrics mean though. Cool how he's used French and German as well.

[porphyria]

sure, new nile was good, but its just another nile album really, nothing different.


how is it just another nile album? they almost completely ditched the egyptian influence on the new record.

the new nile beats the new cryptopsy album easy in my opinion.

[Tomes of Deceit]

because it just sounds like another nile album, same type of riffs, same vocals, same lyrical themes, same drumming...

the only difference, is that they ditched a lot of the egyptian sounding shit, WOW, BIG CHANGE THERE, besides that, musically, annihilation of the wicked just sounds like any other nile album.

sure its fuckign cool album, its just like, 'here we go again'..

OWN has that much more innovative, intensly written music compared to new nile its just not funny..

everytime i listen to OWN i find something new, i listen to the nile album once, and ive basically heard everything there is to it. dont get me wrong, ive been a HUGE nile fan for a long time, i justc ant physically and mentally try tell myself that new nile was a better album than new cryptopsy, its just impossible, nile is a really good death metal band, cryptopsy, is a really good band. thats the difference.

I agree with you there man. I love the new nile album a LOT, yet at the same time it isn't so different from any of their other albums. The only thing keeping Nile from being one of my very top bands is the lack of diversity among their material. Sure, there are differences between all their albums but it's nothing drastic. The loss of egyptian instrumentals really isn't a big change in light of "Saurian Meditation" being relatively new.

When I listen to death metal I love a LOT of different bands. But when I think of music in general, only a few extreme metal bands can make it into my list of favorites, not many can hold their own among the full spectrum of music. Don't get me wrong, there is value in pure death metal, but Cryptopsy can take it that step further and become a truly great "band" without the modifier of "death metal".

[oblivious]

I agree with you there man. I love the new nile album a LOT, yet at the same time it isn't so different from any of their other albums. The only thing keeping Nile from being one of my very top bands is the lack of diversity among their material. Sure, there are differences between all their albums but it's nothing drastic. The loss of egyptian instrumentals really isn't a big change in light of "Saurian Meditation" being relatively new.

When I listen to death metal I love a LOT of different bands. But when I think of music in general, only a few extreme metal bands can make it into my list of favorites, not many can hold their own among the full spectrum of music. Don't get me wrong, there is value in pure death metal, but Cryptopsy can take it that step further and become a truly great "band" without the modifier of "death metal".

heh, you said what i was trying too : )

[vile_ator]

I have heard the promo song only. It sounds more mainstream. But its cool cause its different. I also dont mind the mix. I think the guitars are good and its kind of cool with the drums up front. In fact they used a lot of room sound in the drum tones and its really hearable. I like hearing productions with a new approach to them. I would like to hear the rest of the songs.

BUT. Heres my opinion about Lord Worm. He doent fit with the music. Didnt back then and doesnt now. In fact the main problem Ive always had with Cryptopsy is their vocalists. That Mike guy was the best one, sure. But he still was not one of the greats by a long shot. He was passable only.

And the problem is really the fault of the guys in the band. They are well known enough, good enough, original enough to get a person thats a phenominal talent. But I think its their actual taste in singers. They dont know what they want, or if they do, its just really whacked. If they would get someone great, and they could, they would be one of the best. But untill they do, they will always be that cool and original Canadian band that never had a good singer.

Colin

[oblivious]

Colin..

Lord worm sounds and mixes A LOT better in with the other songs.

[In Vermis Veritas]

With the greatest of Respect Colin, I have to disagree with you. IMO Lord Worm is an insane, unique vocalist and wordsmith. For me, he set Cryptopsy apart from other extreme acts and helped form their own identity. I also appreciated Mike's more straightforward approach. I personally liked Martin's performance, he was an excellent middle ground between the two. I have many fave vocalists for different styles: Bruce Dickinson, Barney Greenway, David Vincent, Nicke Andersson, CorpseGrinder, Sylvaine Houde, Tomas Lindberg etc.

I'm a huge Cryptopsy fan, but can't agree with the view that they are "the amazing Canadian band with bad vocalists." My two cents. :)

[oblivious]

i agree

[subdural]

i just spent about 10mins reading this thread and had some say it's crap yet some say it's the best thing since sliced bread!

well im all the way down in Australia and havent heard it yet, so for all who have listened to it already and dont like it, well count ya-selves lucky enuf to be listening to it at the moment cause i still have to wait, grrrrrrr!

i dont care if it was a 60min c-d of cryptopsy sitting around talking about what was in the papers that day, it's a production of there music and there instrumental madness that we can all sit back and listen too...thats my 2 cents!

[Metal Maxima]

how is it just another nile album? they almost completely ditched the egyptian influence on the new record.

the new nile beats the new cryptopsy album easy in my opinion.

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree wih this 100%...IOTW is BRUTAL.

[porphyria]

Completely ditched egyptian influence on the new record? What? :confused: You should get your ears checked man.

ALMOST COMPLETELY...you should get your eyes checked. :chainsaw:

[Grindmasterflesh]

Damn, I just bought the cd yesterday. Haven´t heard it entirely more then once but this far it seems really sick and it is definitely the sickest shit cryptopsy has ever released. The blasts are more impressive than origin stuff and the rest is also overwhelming. Lord worm fucking screams and grunts and whatevers really cool, I´m really happy. In my opinion it transforms cryptopsy from a interlectual band back too a totally sick band. this is of course not ment negative, it just feels like Lord Worm recovers the old spirit of blasphemy made flesh and none so vile while being even more technical than whisper and and then you´ll beg. Fucking great it´s absolutly great. the intro is really cool too.I´m defintley more than satisified!

[King]

ALMOST COMPLETELY...you should get your eyes checked. :chainsaw:


... your ears still need checking. :)

[oblivious]

i just spent about 10mins reading this thread and had some say it's crap yet some say it's the best thing since sliced bread!

well im all the way down in Australia and havent heard it yet, so for all who have listened to it already and dont like it, well count ya-selves lucky enuf to be listening to it at the moment cause i still have to wait, grrrrrrr!

i dont care if it was a 60min c-d of cryptopsy sitting around talking about what was in the papers that day, it's a production of there music and there instrumental madness that we can all sit back and listen too...thats my 2 cents!

if that's your attitude..then mate, you're gonna fuckin love it.