micing up drums.

[JBassist]

greatings!!

i'm doing a drumtake in a few weeks from now

the style will be punk/hardcore &metalcore. (doing two bands )
Its a Taye drumkit with some reasonable cymbals. (an anatolian splash&china rest is prolly zyldjian/sabian..)

i'm looking for the Hatesphere - The Sickness Within (and especially in songs like seeds of hate) kinda drum sound and i wanna come as close as i can with just micing it correctly..

so i would like some advice from you guys on mic placing. (and possibly chosing some mics..)
the mics will be (oh god help me..)

d112 kick (i can get me a sm52)
sennheiser e604 toms (how are E609's on this? i got two of those..)
SM57 bottom and top snare.
not sure about overheads yet, i got AKG C430's/C1000's and some crappy behringers which are out of the question..

and i'm thinking of getting 2 c414's for the main OH, so in that case what could i use for micing other individual cymbals with the mics i have?

next to that i'm using an octopre platinum 8 channel micpre into a protools HD system and i'm still wondering if i'll use the micpre's in the hd system or an old macky table i realy like previously...

and ANY links/foto's/sounds to any cool micplacing tips and so would be friggin' awesome...

and the rooms like 5 by 5 meters and i'm not sure how high.. plastered walls with issolation in the corners...

and help (foto's!!!) on toms especially would mighty apreciated!!

and another thing i'm struggling with is OH's how high is usuall? and how to prevent phase problems (i allready am reknown with the 3-1 ratio technique, yet i still hear my kick losing alot of lowend when i put back the oh's.. do i put them to low on the kit?)

thanks.

[vile_ator]

Dont worry about emulating someone else's sound. Just get your own sounds with what you have. 18 inches to 2 feet is good cymbal to mic height. Best cheap OH mics are Oktave MC 012's. Those are the cheapest decent mics. Shure SM 81 is the standart cheap mic. Mic toms with any dynamic mic about an inch from the head pointed at the center of the head. Use the phase switch to get the other drums in phase with the OH's. Or just high pass the low end out of the OH's in the mix with eq at about 250 hz or so. (best thing).

All the other mics you have are fine. I learned a while back that as long as you have semi-decent gear and use the right kind of mics for the job, you can get great sounds. Its all about how you eq, compress, and the tones you choose in the first place.

Make sure those drums are tuned well. Get someone that really knows how to tune if you dont. And punch in the drummer untill he gets it all right. Make him play with conviction. Best if he plays to a click as well.

Colin

[JBassist]

thanks,

yeah i was allready wondering about those shures since only used them live once, i'll check them out!

since i allready booked the night before for some drumtuning and getting sounds, (and as you would have noticed i was pretty dead set on (and nervous heheh/..) on getting the drumkit sounding good)
i made this mistake on 2 other demo's now and its time to get it right for once..

so got myself a good friend who is a great drummer to do the tuning and i have about 3/4 hours to set up the drumkit and getting up the mics and getting it to sound good (and the whole day after for some readjustments...).

and btw, i probably should ask this the drummer but how do you useally tune the drums? i read the berklee music protools book (in which i will be recording. mixing in nuendo) and it said that the guy actualy tuned his toms in B other E and so on.. but i also heard someone say its better to make the toms go an octave down from each tom.

who is correct?

[vile_ator]

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/ The Drum Tuning Bible. I learned from the Bob Gatzen video.

Commonly, toms are spaced apart from each other in 4ths. There are 3 ranges. The lowest the medium and higest. A drum has a resonance that it likes to be in around one of these. Start at the lowest tuning. But there is no way you can learn it really quickly. I know the basics and have been practicing for a long time.

Get your guy to tune them. And then ask him to show you how to go around the head and check to see which tuning screw has fallen out of tune. Often its a lower one. Because youll be able to just find whichever one or two have fallen out as the drummer plays and you can just turn it up to get the drum back in tune.

Basically you hold one finger in the middle of the drum head to dampen it, and then you go around with the tuning key and you tap on the drum next to each screw. When you find the one thats out, you tap it again and then turn it up till its in tune with the others. Also if you have to go down, you go below and then back up. Same with a guitar.

Colin