...And Time Begins Remix, Remaster??

[shroudofimpurity]

We are considering releasing a remix, remastered version of "...And Time Begins" I just wanted to see what you guys think of this idea? If we end up doing this, it wont be for a while. I have been working on a mix that, in my opinion, crushes the release as it is now. The guitars are more upfront and the kick drums are a little less "clicky" and more punchy. I am thinking about posting a clip of one song with the remix for you guys to give me your feedback. Basically, I am interested to see if our fans would be interested in this? Just so you guys know its not high on our priority list at the moment, since we are busy working on new material and getting the band ready to play live and tour. Let me know what you guys think.

[RICE510]

Well, you already know what I'd say about that.

FOR SURE!

Oppressor did that on they're debut, and Cryptopsy remastered None So Vile... And just released those as "later printings."

I, for one, would buy another copy if it showcased the guitars more.

PS: Where's that 2nd power tab?

[Carpal Tunnel]

Originally posted by RICE510


I, for one, would buy another copy if it showcased the guitars more.


Totally!!!

[ChaosDeathkult]

The only things wrong in the album are the guitar and bass volume, leave the clicky kicks. That's my opinion anyway. Just post a clip of a song, to give us an example of how it sounds.

I'm learning ...And Time Begins now because I now have the real tabs, so you better get a more clear sound so I can jam along to it! Haha.

[Nihilist]

Yeah I'd be interested in hearing how it sounds. I think the drums are "too" up front, and a bit clicky, so that's a good choice. With the guitars louder, it'd be great.

[ChaosDeathkult]

Drums are fine, more guitar. :)

[Nihilist]

Opinions! :p

[xenkronos]

let it rip matt! make it sound like internal suffering's Supreme Knowledge Domain :D

that will blow a few eardrums, and cause a few neck transplants :)

[INCINERATION]

sounds like a good idea dude... go for it!

[Tim]

I think that remix idea is not so great!
Probably it would be cool with some bonustrax(rehearsal or live ones -
I know there aren't any shows done yet).
As I'm just a near deaf listener I don't care about click-kicks or what ever you're talking about. That's a musician thing, isn't it?
The CD I have kills! Point!
Yes, that's just my personal view.

[metalgearX3]

I think the cd sounds damn good already, no major change is needed. If I had to find something to improve I would make the guitar sound more audible(thicker) in the mix just sliightly and leave the drum the same. Its not like it sound like "Breeding The Spawn" .

Maybe you could remix one song off ...And Times and make it a bonus or a hidden track in the new album so you could give us an idea of how it will sound like on cd.

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by Tim
Probably it would be cool with some bonustrax(rehearsal or live ones -


Yeah! adding a bonus track or two might be a good idea. I have some of the old drum machine versions of the songs on ...ATB, maybe adding them to the end of the remix as a bonus might be a good idea, or even adding the Kevin Talley version of "Prelude to the Apocalypse".

[OrbOfUncreation]

Many good albums have been ruined by a not-so-good production and I have always wished one day I had the chance to give them justice with a killer sound! However, this is not the case of ...ATB, although there are some minor flaws;) It would be good to release an EP with demo tracks, "Prelude..." with Talley and a bunch of remixed songs from ...ATB. I'm really curious to hear Decrepit Birth in a new vest, so Matt, I'm waiting for a clip!

[Tim]

Why don't you save the time, money and energy for your future releases?
Did Picasso ever change one of his pictures after finishing it?
I don't think so!
Also a record is always a result of the circumstances and a mirror of it.
That means it can never be perfect in the eye of the artist. But it's definitely a great product of the timeperiod in which it was created.
Therefore I see the drum-click or the guitar-sound as a minor aspect.
"...And time begins" is a fucking great record.
So I don't need a remix of it!

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by Tim
Why don't you save the time, money and energy for your future releases?
Did Picasso ever change one of his pictures after finishing it?
I don't think so!
Also a record is always a result of the circumstances and a mirror of it.
That means it can never be perfect in the eye of the artist. But it's definitely a great product of the timeperiod in which it was created.
Therefore I see the drum-click or the guitar-sound as a minor aspect.
"...And time begins" is a fucking great record.
So I don't need a remix of it!


I totally hear what you are saying bro, and your response is exactly why I posted this topic, and I appreciate and take into consideration your feedback. The only thing is, the band did not have complete creative control over the final mix of the record, and we were also forced by deadlines. When I listen to ...ATB I hear things about the mix that make me cringe. The kick drum is a complete disaster, WAY too loud, all high end and no punch in it at all. There were back up vocals that were so killer, that barley come through in the mix, I feel like there is something missing vocally. Derek's bass tone was so killer when we tracked it, but the final result was a watered down version of what it should have sounded like. And the biggest disappointment, the guitars, which are just too low in the mix. I own a recording studio, and have access to all of the equipment needed to do a remix, so there is no cost involved, and in fact I enjoy doing this stuff. We have spoken with Unique Leader Records on the matter, and they are willing to back the idea. I already have a new mix that still needs a few adjustments, but when I listen back to back with the version that you guys have, in my opinion, my new mixes crush the already released version. I never listen to the released version, I only listen to my remixes, because they sound the way the album was intended to sound. Although, like I said, its not high priority for us, and we will probably release another album before you see a remix, remaster version of ...ATB come out. But we are definitely considering doing this.

[xenkronos]

well..

when your the artist, you can do whatever the hell you want when its your canvas

and i dont think theres a possible way of finishing a piece of art, because there always something to improve on it

[SlaughteredOnslaught]

Fuckin-A - The answer is simple: Remasters are good - especially w/ bonus trax (for any of the doubters!)

[RICE510]

"there is no cost involved, and in fact I enjoy doing this stuff. We have spoken with Unique Leader Records on the matter, and they are willing to back the idea."

Bam! There you go. - I agree with Tim's sentiment, but see it more pertaining to re-tracking certain instruments ala George Lucas Special Edition non-sense.... But if it's just a re-mix of what already exists... I do NOT see that as a violation of any of the things Tim is talking about...

... As I already mentioned, Other bands have remixed and simply released it that way, when they needed another "batch" of that certain record. - Rock it like that!

[Symbolic Savior]

I say do it! And definitely post an mp3 man! I'd love to hear what it sounds like. :)

[Jack]

i voted 'yes'. i'd probably buy it, i dont like the production that much as it is. and please put the mp3 up soon. thanks:)

[tamponsqueezer]

I've a band too. And everytime we finished recording
it was not the real thing. We always had not enough time or money or something else didn't work the way I wanted it.
But today I think those recordings are more significant to me. Because the records include more than just the music. Also a lot of memories of the days of recording the shit is still there. I can hear it. And that's cool!
Yeah, that sounds like romantism or something(ha,ha,ha)...I know.
Just wanna explain why I'd never do a remix neither do I need a remix of an alreaday perfect album(that's subjectiv - sure!). It would destroy the feeling.
But of course I can understand the view of the artist who will always give the best product to the fans and wants to satisfy himself.
So whatever DECREPIT BIRTH will do in future - go and crush!

[shroudofimpurity]

Hey thanks for all the opinions! Its really cool to hear good points from both sides of the debate. We will keep this in mind as far as to wether or not we decide to release a remix remaster. I will try and put up an mp3 of one of the remix songs soon.

[Modulus]

I would like to hear the remix/remaster. I would pay again for it as well. Maybe you can include it with your next release as a limited edition double CD, or just give it to UL to use for more pressings. Either way, it would be cool to have a beefier mix to headbang to.

[RICE510]

"I will try and put up an mp3 of one of the remix songs soon."



..................................... FIVE YEARS LATER ...........................




;)

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by RICE510
"I will try and put up an mp3 of one of the remix songs soon."



..................................... FIVE YEARS LATER ...........................




;)

hehe... I promise, I will put something up.

[General-L]

I think it sounds like an good idea.

I was listening to the CD when I was driving today, and all I heard was drums...
Ok, I heard the guitars, but they were only some sort of noise in the background...
And the kick...if it gets a bit more punch, god damn, this CD will be able to kill!
Exchange the a-bombs with big speakers playing ...And Time Begins haha!

I say go for it, if the CD needs a repress or something.

Stay Brutal!

[RICE510]

Slamming fork and knife on table...

"SAMPLES! SAMPLES! SAMPLES!"

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by RICE510
Slamming fork and knife on table...

"SAMPLES! SAMPLES! SAMPLES!"

haha, I promise you something soon, I am in the middle of moving so shit is super hectic for me right now.

[Jack]

why did you release it if you weren't totally happy with the production as it was?

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by Jack
why did you release it if you weren't totally happy with the production as it was?

The main reason we released it the way you guys know it is because, Unique Leader had a submit date to Crash distro. If they didn't have it in by the certain date then U.L. would be penalized. In short, business deadlines. There was little we could do. Plus it took me a couple of months before we really decided that it wasnt completely right.

[Jack]

Originally posted by shroudofimpurity
The main reason we released it the way you guys know it is because, Unique Leader had a submit date to Crash distro. If they didn't have it in by the certain date then U.L. would be penalized. In short, business deadlines. There was little we could do. Plus it took me a couple of months before we really decided that it wasnt completely right.
ahh that sucks man, that business is the reason. But I do hope you release this remaster. Mp3s, please?:)

[cheeses]

The funny thing is that it's already got a well above-average production, but if you can make it better I would definitely buy the album again like a sucker.

[Fisting The Dead]

Greetings. I voted "yes" mainly because of the guitars sort of being in the background. Due to this, none of the songs really stand out and they are all sort of the same-sounding. But you should at least put 4 or so extra songs on the remastered album because it would fucking suck for all of us to have purchased the album and then have to purchase it again simply because you guys had to rush so that you wouldn't be penalized. This penalizes the fans I think. The double disc thing would be even better! Just whenever you come out with a new album, include the remastered ...ATB with it! A fucking solid death metal purchase it would be. The drums already sound great on the album. I don't want to miss out on hearing the double bass blasting during the blast beats.

[Jack]

fuck off the click, its supposed to be a bass drum. a bit of trigger does sound cool, though its just too unnatural sounding.