What do you think about "Souls To Deny"?

[OrbOfUncreation]

I posted this thread here because I'm sure every user of this forum is a big Suffo fans, so I would like to know what do you think about STD. To me is indeed a very good album: you can find every trademark of Suffocation sound, plus some new elements here and there: sick melodies straight from Breeding The Spawn, classic piledriving grooves, intelligent songwriting and, of course, supreme skills. But at the same time I think the best has yet to come (maybe for Derek contribution...)! Also I see the whole album as kinda self celebration (see the opening of "To weep once more" or the lyrics of "Deceit"). Do you agree or am I raving ???

[Tim]

All I can say is that I'm surprised that everyone seems to be a SUFFOCATION-worshipper. Suddenly...eh?
Because I saw SUFFO 1994 in Germany doing the "Breeding the spawn"-tour. Propably 20 people were there. Actually they did a killer show.
But what happened with'em on the "Pierced.."-album. Technical - yes. The album was lacking of any good song! "Despise the sun" was a killer again I've to admitt that. And then I saw them on video doing the Maryland Death Fest-show. Man, they're old! They're the Rolling Stones of Death Metal!!!!
Instead of beeing leaders they became followers.
They can not compete with DECREPIT BIRTH or DISGORGE(US)!
The new album is good. Nothing more, nothing less!
That fuckin' SUFFO-hype makes me vomit!

[thrones of blood]

IVE BEEN A SUFFO FAN SINCE BREEDING THE SPAWN, AND I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. SUFFOCATION MAY NOT BE AS YOUNG AS THEY USED TO BE, BUT THEY ARE STILL BETTER THAN HALF THE DEATH METAL BANDS OUT THERE TODAY!! DONT GET ME WRONG, I FUCKING LOVE DISGORGE AND DECREPIT BIRTH, BUT TO SAY THAT SUFFOCATION CANT COMPETE WITH THEM IS JUST RIDICULOUS!!

[thrones of blood]

ONE MORE THING, TO SAY THAT SUFFOCATION ARE FOLLOWERS, NOT LEADERS IS LAUGHABLE!! IF SUFFOCATION ARE FOLLOWERS THEN WHY ARE THERE SO MANY BANDS OUT THERE THAT TRY TO COPY THEIR STYLE?

[RICE510]

You know what? - I'm getting tired of having to 'defend' Suffocation. They are awesome and have tallent for kicking ass and composing music like nobodies business... But for whatever reason there is a definite faction of people who just CAN"T HEAR IT... Or don't want to.

Their loss.

Suffocation are full of creative virility and genius DESPITE their brutality... If people can't get over this, again,

Their loss.

BTW: Souls to Deny is by far one of the greatest DM records in many years.

[shroudofimpurity]

If I had to name one band as the biggest influence for us, it is without a doubt Suffocation. There is no compitetion between any of us, we are all brothers in this scene! I look up to Suffo and the things they have done over the years, and I could only hope to someday amount to what they have become as a band today. I am beyond greatful that they are aware of Decrepit Birth at all! I love "Souls", eventhough there is no Cerrito, Guy does a great job. And the fact that Derek is playing bass with them now is fuckin so cool. I can't say enough about how much I respect Suffocation, to me they are the gods of this genre of music!!!

[PiercedFromWithin]

I think it is a pretty damn sweet but is lacking cerrito`s input.

[Tim]

Hey, I didn't throw any shit at SUFFOCATION! No reason to defend'em!
It's only I worshipped them from the beginning("Human waste"-era) and nobody was interested in them.
Suddenly everbody's raving about the new record and everybody's was a SUFFOCATION fan all the time.
At least that's how it looks for me!

[HatredEmbodied]

I have to agree with Tim... its a great Suffocation record, but I have a good feeling the next one will be much better, more focused Im sure, especially after touring for a year, you get tight as a band...

[metalgearX3]

Originally posted by Tim
Hey, I didn't throw any shit at SUFFOCATION! No reason to defend'em!
It's only I worshipped them from the beginning("Human waste"-era) and nobody was interested in them.
Suddenly everbody's raving about the new record and everybody's was a SUFFOCATION fan all the time.
At least that's how it looks for me!

What point are you trying to make dude? During the Human Waste era they were still unknown to many people, hell most got into to them during the "BTS" days and up to now we're still a fan of the band. We rave about the new album b/c it has been like 5-6 YEARS since they last recorded anything new and we as a fan can't wait to hear the new stuff, thats all.

[OrbOfUncreation]

Tim is fuckin' right!... In my country Cannibal Corpse, Deicide and Morbid Angel are well known, but if you ask about Suffocation, very few seems to be totally into them. I felt very angry when reading some reviews of italian 'zines about STD: they were claiming Suffo is a "Classic Floridian Death Metal band" and, again, they are famous just for guttural vocals and the dark sound of "Effigy..."! No words needed! Now that Suffocation are going to tour Europe, it's a good thing they haven't included any Italian date: sure it will turn to be a fiasco!!! Sad but true... Yeah, they are a genre-defining band, but definitively they are not for the masses, just like Decrepit Birth!

[RICE510]

"Hey, I didn't throw any shit at SUFFOCATION! No reason to defend'em!"

Well, what the hell is this?:

"Instead of beeing leaders they became followers.
They can not compete with DECREPIT BIRTH or DISGORGE(US)!
The new album is good. Nothing more, nothing less!
That fuckin' SUFFO-hype makes me vomit!"

Even your one interpretable compliment is qualified, therefore conversationally nuetered.

Sorry. I disagree with the geist of your post, and defending Suffocation is my answer to these statements.

As a side note: Suffocation, as far as I could see, seemed to really bloom into popularity, or at least acknoledgement, with "Pierced."

[Tim]

Originally posted by RICE510
"Hey, I didn't throw any shit at SUFFOCATION! No reason to defend'em!"

Well, what the hell is this?:

"Instead of beeing leaders they became followers.
They can not compete with DECREPIT BIRTH or DISGORGE(US)!
The new album is good. Nothing more, nothing less!
That fuckin' SUFFO-hype makes me vomit!"

Even your one interpretable compliment is qualified, therefore conversationally nuetered.

Sorry. I disagree with the geist of your post, and defending Suffocation is my answer to these statements.

As a side note: Suffocation, as far as I could see, seemed to really bloom into popularity, or at least acknoledgement, with "Pierced."
Well, when I saw their reunion show they acted stiff like they're old. Just a fact for me.
Actually the new SUFFOCATION album is not a killer one too. In my opinion.
And I can't go crazy about the new album. So I wonder that everybody else does. That smells like a hype to me. But even though I worship the band.
And personnaly I think that the aforementioned bands did better records.
That's it!
Yeah, maybe I'm already deaf. Shoot me!!!!
:p

[SlaughteredOnslaught]

All I know is - after listening to the new Suffo, I just thought to myself, "man these dudes are keepin it real after all these yrs. " The new album has all their signiture technicality and the fact of the matter is: They're still better than half the DM bands out there - period!

[RICE510]

Tim, I mean, hey, it's all cool man... we're both entitled to our opinions. (They're like assholes right?)

But let me just tell you this... I actually happen to be very cynical... I'm used to favorite bands letting my expectations down... and tend, therefore, NOT to expect much. I am, however, absolutely ape-shit about the new record. Not through hype, but because of the music, the material. - When I first heard Suffocation was reforming, and without Doug, I was like *dull* -> "oh great."

Then I heard the Deceit promo it totally blew away my expectation of it being so/so. Then the record came out and had all these other cool songs.

I can promise you I'm not into Souls because of hype, I'm into it because I actually DO like the music. Maybe I'm eating retard sandwiches, maybe you are... Who knows? But hype?... has nothing to do with it, I can assure you.

Sure, it could be better. So what? everything can, (except maybe Death's "Human.") - Fact is, for me, it's a Jem. A winner. and among a whole bunch of much shittier records, a welcome relief.

Main point being:

Hype - No. Actually likes new material - yes.

[thrones of blood]

TIM, YOU SAID SUFFOCATION SEEMED STIFF AT THEIR REUNION SHOW? MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THAY HAVENT PLAYED A SHOW IN LIKE 6 YEARS!! THEY SURE DINT SEEM STIFF WHEN I SAW THEM LAST MONTH!! THEY CAME OUT WITH MORE FIRE AND INTENSITY THAN I HAVE SEEN FROM ALOT OF OTHER BANDS. AND ONE MORE THING, I LOVE SUFFOCATION FOR ONLY ONE THING: MUSIC, NOT HYPE.

[Tim]

My last statement concerning that hype-thing.
Just imagine a new underground-band would have released "Souls to deny".
Would you care about it in the same way?

[thrones of blood]

HELL YEAH I WOULD, BECAUSE THE MUSIC ON SOULS TO DENY IS KILLER, PERIOD.

[RICE510]

agreed. Demise of the Cone alone, would...

... I mean, If anything... if some unknown dropped that record I would have shit my pants all the more.

[morkul]

Originally posted by Tim
Hey, I didn't throw any shit at SUFFOCATION! No reason to defend'em!
It's only I worshipped them from the beginning("Human waste"-era) and nobody was interested in them.
Suddenly everbody's raving about the new record and everybody's was a SUFFOCATION fan all the time.
At least that's how it looks for me! Well for me I got half of the scene I was involved in in 92 into "Effigy of the Forgotten". So I am not part of any bandwagoning here. Still is a great cd. And yes we do owe them alot. Take at easy on the assault. We are all involved in the scene. Let's work for it, not against it.

[pedrin]

Originally posted by Tim
My last statement concerning that hype-thing.
Just imagine a new underground-band would have released "Souls to deny".
Would you care about it in the same way?

that´s funny. I can tell you, if a new band would have released souls to deny they have been praised automatically as the new gods of death metal. Sure. But Suffocation released it and suddenly all is "oh, there is no cerrito", "they copy and paste riffs from their previous records", "the production is their worst" blahblahblahblah. There is a hell of people out there that were bitchin about the suffo reunion even before they play their reunion show and they think they have to continue throwing shit at them. I cant remember any other band that reformed after a 6 years hiatus have released a record with the quality of souls to deny

[thrones of blood]

Originally posted by pedrin
that´s funny. I can tell you, if a new band would have released souls to deny they have been praised automatically as the new gods of death metal. Sure. But Suffocation released it and suddenly all is "oh, there is no cerrito", "they copy and paste riffs from their previous records", "the production is their worst" blahblahblahblah. There is a hell of people out there that were bitchin about the suffo reunion even before they play their reunion show and they think they have to continue throwing shit at them. I cant remember any other band that reformed after a 6 years hiatus have released a record with the quality of souls to
deny


you hit it right on the nail!! couldnt agree with you more!!

[666Helvete999]

Same sentiment here. Furthermore, I just don't think that BDM fans are collectively stupid enough to fall for hype (save for the few scenesters that bought Morbid Angel's new one). Suffocation has already become a name to which most american DM fans attribute a high level of prestige, and their high-profile reunion has therefore instilled a feeling of skeptisism among fans merely because it is held up to such a high standard of comparison. Pierced and Effigy were great fucking albums, but it's not like the new one is just some disposable record that runs on a reunion gimmick. Immortally Condemned is one of the high points of their entire discography IMO. I think that if anything, the hype proved more detrimental than benefical. If people didn't know it was Suffocation, they would've creamed their jeans on Souls...

[LIGATURE]

i afraid i have to disagree with you tim on peirced from within not being a good suffo album probably my favorite second only to despise the sun plenty technical and crushing as hell also i didnt know what to think of the new suffo at first but ive found the more i listen to it the more it grows on me (like a really brutal cancer) definently a good album but pretty different for suffocation

[Jack]

Souls to deny is fucking awesome. Though I'm not sure where i'd rank it against their other albums.

[cheeses]

I haven't listened to it that much yet, but am I alone in thinking it sounds kinda... different? The riffing structure feels more straightforward even tho the riffs themselves are technical - does that make any sense? I think what I'm hearing is Cerrito's absence, or I'm just nuts. Pretty cool album anyway, but I like the old ones more.

[Jack]

I think the vocals could have been mixed better.

[shroudofimpurity]

I was just talking about this the other night. I still haven't gotten super stoked on it yet. It's weird because Suffo is with out a doubt my favorite death metal band, but its just not affecting me the way "Despise the Sun" or "Pierced from Within" has. When those records came out I could not stop listening to them. But with Souls, its like I find myself swaping it out for something else. Don't get me wrong, cause it's an awesome album, and it has all the right elements... I just don't know what it is?

[God Made Filth]

It needs Cerito

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by God Made Filth
It needs Cerito

humm... I wonder how it would have been with Cerrito? I really hope he does something brutal again at some point. I must say Guy is a very good replacement for Cerrito.

[God Made Filth]

ya Guy is good but I dont think he writes any of the stuff. I could bee wrong but I am pretty sure its all Terrance. Cerrito was the riff master!

[cheeses]

It feels more 'straight', it just doesn't seem quite as loony somehow. Compare Souls to 'Dethroned' on the 1st Hate Eternal album. I mean StD is a good album still but...

(wait, STD?!?! i hope they didn't do that on purpose)

[thrones of blood]

Originally posted by shroudofimpurity
humm... I wonder how it would have been with Cerrito? I really hope he does something brutal again at some point. I must say Guy is a very good replacement for Cerrito.


I agree dude, Guy's guitar work on Pyrexia's 'Sermon of Mockery' is sick.

[El-Heino]

Originally posted by shroudofimpurity
I was just talking about this the other night. I still haven't gotten super stoked on it yet. It's weird because Suffo is with out a doubt my favorite death metal band, but its just not affecting me the way "Despise the Sun" or "Pierced from Within" has. When those records came out I could not stop listening to them. But with Souls, its like I find myself swaping it out for something else. Don't get me wrong, cause it's an awesome album, and it has all the right elements... I just don't know what it is?

I totally agree with this guy. I have expressed some kind of reservations about the new Suffo CD, and I would put them down exactly as stated above.

Maybe it lacks magic, maybe I'm getting old and expecting too much, maybe I don't give albums enough time to conquer me anymore (as opposed to the past when I could give a new CD months to grow on me). But the fact remains that StD hasn't fully won me over...yet. I find I'd rather listen to other stuff most of the time.

Still, I remain an absolute fan of the band, and the countdown to next Tuesday's London show has begun. Yessh.

[Sarcoma]

popularity kills...say all you want, but FUCK OFF, and fuck anyone who gives a shit about what i have said...

[Sarcoma]

new thoughts: about the if some underground released Souls to Deny... if some band (not suffo) released Souls to Deny NO ONE would know about its power because too many fucktards just assume that the band is a suffo clone due to the fact that they formed after they did so FUCK. all there is, is bitching about shit that doesn't matter, who gives a fuck if alot of people like Souls to Deny now it is indeed a musical masterpeice, so hell yeah people will like it.fuck your bitching.... that is all

[shroudofimpurity]

Originally posted by Sarcoma
new thoughts: about the if some underground released Souls to Deny... if some band (not suffo) released Souls to Deny NO ONE would know about its power because too many fucktards just assume that the band is a suffo clone due to the fact that they formed after they did so FUCK. all there is, is bitching about shit that doesn't matter, who gives a fuck if alot of people like Souls to Deny now it is indeed a musical masterpeice, so hell yeah people will like it.fuck your bitching.... that is all

Personally I'm always looking for those "Suffo clone" type bands. I love shit like Inveracity, Disavowed, and Pyaemia. Not saying that those bands are exact clones of Suffocation, but they have a writing style and sound that reminds me of Suffocation at times.

[PiercedFromWithin]

Its still suffo and its amazing. But its got the marchais element instead of cerritos. Guy does a very good job of replacing doug but just can`t completely fill his shoes. Matt from DB would have been a better choice in my mind because there is so much cerrito in his playing.

[Sarcoma]

Originally posted by shroudofimpurity
Personally I'm always looking for those "Suffo clone" type bands. I love shit like Inveracity, Disavowed, and Pyaemia. Not saying that those bands are exact clones of Suffocation, but they have a writing style and sound that reminds me of Suffocation at times.

KICK ASS BANDS RIGHT THERE G, WORD TO YA'.

[ImminentExtremity]

Originally posted by shroudofimpurity
Personally I'm always looking for those "Suffo clone" type bands. I love shit like Inveracity, Disavowed, and Pyaemia. Not saying that those bands are exact clones of Suffocation, but they have a writing style and sound that reminds me of Suffocation at times.


Fucking Disavowed and Pyaemia are great, I haven't Inveracity though, but I have been meaning to check them out. I have always wondered why some bands are labeled "clones" and why Unique Leader is often cited for this. Sure the bands have a style similar to Suffocation, but aren't exactly copying them right???

......By the way, Souls to Deny is fucking killer.

[Sarcoma]

Originally posted by ImminentExtremity
Fucking Disavowed and Pyaemia are great, I haven't Inveracity though, but I have been meaning to check them out. I have always wondered why some bands are labeled "clones" and why Unique Leader is often cited for this. Sure the bands have a style similar to Suffocation, but aren't exactly copying them right???

......By the way, Souls to Deny is fucking killer.

damn right, but alot of people think they are. i am done with this thread.