Lillehammer, 1986

[Nocturnal Spectre]

Does anybody know, who sings on that concert? On the video the guy looks like messiah, but off. discography says that its maniac. Maybe thats mistake, coz its 1986, isnt it?

[hellspawn]

Originally posted by WARREN
NO IT ISNT!....listen ive been into this band since i was 15..thats 16 years mate...ive released 3...count em..3 OFFICIAL mayhem picture discs...i had that video years ago....its billy messiah on vocals...trust me.

if you look in the Dawn of the black hearts cd Maniac is also listed there, that same show is bootleged and besides Messiah is not as tall

[Ðonson]

Originally posted by hellspawn
if you look in the Dawn of the black hearts cd Maniac is also listed there, that same show is bootleged and besides Messiah is not as tall

thats true, Maniac is listed on the Dawn of the black hearts bootleg, but this is obviously a mistake, I am sure it is Messiah singing

[hellspawn]

Well its not a mistake, its Maniac so accept it

[Sebultura]

Stay cool, dudes, don't need of a flamme war here....

Anyway, I've seen the video (downloadable from www.thetruemayhem.com, but in ".rm" format... d'oh !) and I just wonder: ok it's a cool stuff from that year, but the quality's real bad, so does someone have another video from this live ???

And another question: does someone have the previous .rm video in ".avi" format ??? (Real Media sucks!...)

[WARREN]

if youve read my earlier posts to this site then you will know exactly how this actual video of this gig got spread around...i first got hold of that tape....in 94/95 cant even remmber it was so long ago...anyway...it is MESSIAH.... i mean...shit...just ask maniac yourself!!!....bollocks to the fukkin bootleg cd....that was released by a nobody!.......and why not check out an early picture of maniac from say his old fanzine "damage inc" ......its MESSIAH,NECRO,EURONYMOUS,MANHEIM... on that show....
by the way.....did you know that on the same day of that gig....euro and manheim played in a joke band called LEGO?....i had that show to on video.....and...the copy i had of all this old shit was in FULL COLOUR ....as i copied it direct from a first generation vhs.......
theres a lot of crap written about who does what on certain releases etc....do you not think ive discussed ALL this stuff and found out the lot years back??....
examples here.
VARG PLAYS BASS ON DE MYSTERIIS....100%...anything else you read is pure shit.
OCCULTUS... NEVER...was recorded doing ANY rehersals...so any tracks on a wank cd you see saying its him are nonesense..its DEAD.
any more confusions need clearing up???....

[hellspawn]

I still think its Maniac because he looks it, hes tall etc...everyone else i know has said its Maniac so until they day I ask Maniac myself I still think its Maniac, Messiah looks way different he had a different kidn of hair style and a beard.....

btw, where is the pic from the Damage Inc fanzine?

[Sebultura]

Yup, Maniac is tall, that's the only thing I can confirm....

WARREN: you seem to know lot of things about the band.... have you got something about the file I talked 3 posts back ????

[WARREN]

i own nothing of mayhem these days only single copies of the discs i did and a few cds...plus pics ive taken years ago....dont have and video stuff these days....only the gig i filmed last week while drunk.
the pics of maniac are in his fanzine which i saw at necros place in 97..it was maniac interviewing kirk hammet...around the time cliff burton died..so were talkin years ago....maniac had straight hair....and besides,....necrobutcher told me himself its messiah...shit,what more do you need....most of these new kids doing these botlegs etc dont know SHIT about old mayhem...just garbage rumours..get the facts from the old guys...
so what if maniac is tall???????? aint messiah tall aswell???,...

[Sebultura]

No, I just said that maniac is tall, for messiah, I don't know & I don't care... It's just interresting to know who's on the video.... I have no clues at all...

Anyway, thanks for the answer !

[Ðonson]

yeah, Warren is the true king of this forum

and this is not a joke!!!!!

[WARREN]

didnt wanna start an argument.....just dont trust the bootleg cd info all the time...cos they are fucked up a lot of times..thats all...its not important...they are compiled most of the time by people who have no idea what recordings they have,what line ups they were etc.
the best example has to be the "thou shalt suffer/mayhem" split bootleg cd...which has the greek band ZEMIAL on it!!!!!!!!!!
like id said before i aint into this whole scene these days,the feeling died a long time ago....its still great in a way though that mayhem are around after 20 plus years....whatever the line up....
i didnt come on here going "i know it all!!!" its not like that...but ive heard so much about mayhem over the years...as it were the biggest talkin point every time years back..and you heard so much stuff from different black metal characters in the scene....everyone had something to say about mayhem back then......

[Nocturnal Spectre]

Originally posted by WARREN

OCCULTUS... NEVER...was recorded doing ANY rehersals...so any tracks on a wank cd you see saying its him are nonesense..its DEAD.

So, that's Dead on tracks 14-15 of In Memorium CD???

[WARREN]

yes its DEAD....not occultus.... again that in memorium cd was released by a nobody....

[eple]

Originally posted by WARREN
i own nothing of mayhem these days only single copies of the discs i did and a few cds...plus pics ive taken years ago....dont have and video stuff these days....only the gig i filmed last week while drunk.

You should put those old pics somwhere in the internett :)

[Haerectem]

Originally posted by hellspawn
if you look in the Dawn of the black hearts cd Maniac is also listed there, that same show is bootleged and besides Messiah is not as tall

Perhaps it is Messiah, wearing tall shoes?

[Endstille]

Originally posted by into the pit
hehe I often said immortal are not that great.. yeah, it's cheating..


the drumming is also faster as it was rehearsed? That´s clear if you listen to it (in the early 90s triggering the whole drumset couldn´t be realized by immortal)
and compare the speed to the live gigs with erik.

but i do like old immortal, using trigs today isn´t less "cheating" than this methode.

[Strym]

Another bullcrap for the "Live in Lillehammer" gig.

They NEVER EVER played in Lillehammer!!!
They played in Ski, aswell with the LEGO concert.

It was a competition and Mayhem came in the last place. Only disconerds attended to that show.

[into the pit]

Originally posted by Endstille
using trigs today isn´t less "cheating" than this methode.

of course it is.. you still need to play fast if you want fast drums..

triggers don't make the drums faster than they are originally..


immortal sucks, be it older or the latest albums.. they lack soul and spirit..

[Anfang]

hellspawn I'm sorry but you need to get a clue as it is painfully obvious that it is Messiah on vocal on that gig and it has been clear as day for years. I too have been into the band from the early '90s. When guys who know what they're talking about tell you not once but twice, how about just believing them? WARREN is not just saying stuff, he's right.

Besides, Messiah has a beard?! WTF?! Not on my copy of Deathcrush... You wouldn't be confusing him with Occultus now...?

And yeah, nobody should base any "knowledge" on crappy bootleg credits...

[hellspawn]

I dont know why this shit has been brought up again, but for me it was tough to decide who was the vocalist in that gig because they both have a lot of similaraties, and yes Messiah does have a little goatie on the back of the Deathcrush cd...not a beard then ok...

"WARREN is not just saying stuff, he's right." Oh yea man, Pure Holocaust is a fucking junk album just because the drums were sped up.

Anfang stop kissing ass.

[Anfang]

Originally posted by hellspawn
"WARREN is not just saying stuff, he's right." Oh yea man, Pure Holocaust is a fucking junk album just because the drums were sped up.

Anfang stop kissing ass.
I obviously meant he's right regarding the issue at hand.

I don't know Warren.

I don't kiss ass.

Pure Holocaust rules.

[Endstille]

triggers don't make the drums faster than they are originally..

pit, you aren´t a drummer are you?

Did anybody see the Marduk DVD? He plays the right crash (fuck whats becken called in english?) half as slow as it appears in the audio.

Wanna know why? Cause he´s a fucking looser, and you actually ARE able to sped up your drumming.

You take an electronic impuls from your different drum-parts, convert it with a pc and give it back as an electronic impuls to the amps.

While in the software you are able to select evry sound you personally want, 2 beats per impuls, tecknoish sounds like on bloodsword and a colder sun 2, and so on, included.