View Full Version : Travis your feelings on cattle d. fans that do eat meat.....
PreDeadMan
06-01-2005, 03:21 AM
i mean I LOVE YOUR MUSIC but like i work in seafood department in stop and shop i mean i know it goes against your band's lyrical theme and stuff does it bother you at all i'm sure there are others out there that work in like a butcher shop or something in a store eh.. it must be a little irritating to reply to this i mean i assume you do not like the butchers in meat departments and seafood and so on eh? also do you have any pets or anything i got a persian cat i was thinking about getting a dog anyway just trying to live up the board post back asap
dr0ne
06-01-2005, 04:23 AM
Travis....do you care that I want to have sex with cows??!?!?!?
this thread is lame, He doesn't expect everyone to follow his beliefs so I doubt he gives two shits if the fans eat meat or not, granted he would rather have them be vegan but he wouldn't hold it against them....as long as they support the band.
butthole
06-01-2005, 05:00 AM
hey a job is a job... i'm not going to tell people what to do. I can coerce all day long, but I'm not going to be some evangelistic nazi bastard looking down on people cause they eat meat. I mean, I may think you're disgusting and I find dead fish fucking repulsive in every aspect, but I'm not going to bitch at you about it. I think people that can watch the footage of lets say those vids we have on my space and still crack jokes about eating a tasty burger right about now or some dumb shit have something wrong with them. But that's just my opinion. I mean it's fact, but it's still my opinion...:D ;) ... and who gives a shit what I think, really.
as a dude that deals with something that's already dead and in inanimate portions of flesh, I probably wouldn't think of you in the same light as those that actually control the final blow. Although you are part of the process... but you're probably also not a vegetarian right? I wouldn't be able to be around that shit all day.
Crucified Coma
06-01-2005, 05:57 AM
What about Nudgent?? He kills his meat himself!!
skunk carcass
06-01-2005, 06:06 AM
what do you think about exterminators? cause i might get into the exterminating business :o
butthole
06-01-2005, 06:26 AM
I'm not going to get into this..hahah... let's put it this way. It's very easy.... To the earth, we are like the tumor of it's evolution. We can either be malignant or benign. I guess it's your choice...
Crucified Coma
06-01-2005, 06:52 AM
Like I said in another thread, I think Travis needs a hug. <3
dr0ne
06-01-2005, 08:21 AM
I'll give Travis a hug next time they play here :)
But yeah, think of it on terms of religion, if you are jewish and your best friend is satanic, you guys are still friends even though you practice different lifestyles. Keep in mind not everyone is or thinks alike, hence why this place is so great. I'm sure He'd want to have the whole world WANT to be vegan but notice the WANT. Keep on mind he's not Hitler, he would rather the person willingly be a vegetarian than just to do it for a reason other than that.
and one last thing, why the fuck are you asking the singer of a band if he'll like you? what is he going to jump out of your cd player and punch you in the face? odds are you'll never personally know the dude so live your life the way you want to and do what you feel is right.
skunk carcass
06-01-2005, 08:52 AM
yea, i've wondered about Travis' stance on this subject for awhile. at least now i know..
and as for me, it's going to have to be jumping out of the vinyl cause my new Human Jerky picture disc came in, fuck yea!
anyways
dr0ne
06-02-2005, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by skunk carcass
http://www.d4.dion.ne.jp/~f-toraya/squirrel.gif
that is the best thing ever
skunk carcass
06-02-2005, 01:12 AM
yea, the image name says it's a squirrel but i'm almost sure it's a chipmunk. either way, it's cool.
PreDeadMan
06-02-2005, 02:44 AM
well at my job basically i just listen to death metal all day lol i barely work in the seafood department it's slow i pretend to work when the store manager walks over;) i bring in my boombox and my ipod i got 18 gigs of death metal and such on it blast cattle, carcass,death, decapitated, necrophagist on there hopefully scaring away the customers lol =p
One Punch Killer
06-04-2005, 01:08 PM
I am a vegetarian. I also work in a meat processing and distribution facility. For the most part, I don't come in contact with any of the "product", I just carry 100lb boxes of the stuff around all day. That part of it doesn't really bother me. After all, a hundred-pound box of beef feels pretty much the same as a hundred-pound box of cornflakes or cocaine or whatever. On the few odd occaisons that I actually do have to handle fresh "product", I find that chanting the lyrics to "Polyps" in my head as some sort of mantra helps really lots.
HatredEmbodied
06-05-2005, 07:00 AM
To the earth, we are like the tumor of it's evolution. We can either be malignant or benign. I guess it's your choice...
I think it's pretty obvious that we are malignant... whether we eat meat or not... especially Americans who take and take and never give...
Sorry for eating your cheese on tour Travis... =) you know I love ya!
glitch
06-13-2005, 02:36 PM
when my band played with cattle decap, i took my sister, and she picked up some peta flyer, and now the house is filled with soy products. thanks, travis! ;)
id much rather kill shit myself and eat it, t hat way i know whats happened to the meat. and i can do that, since i live in the woods in maine and can hunt and shit. yay maine!
What is the difference between hunting and supporting factory farming? Both are fucked. Animals deserve the right to be in their own environment and surviving as they will and doing their own thing just as we do. We've invaded just about every habitat of every animal and used them for our own selfish needs. Alas, 3 out of 5 people will crack jokes about the suffering of animals when downing a burger. I'm a constant victim of mockery and insults for being vegetarian but I don't care. Even from some of my own friends or aquaintances in other bands. Yes, something is wrong with them and its pretty much summed up as ''ignorance''. Only so much you can do but laugh it off and maybe sometimes ignore it if possible. It sucks people are so shitty and apathetic. The only thing you can do is try to live as vegan as possible. It's the savior lifestyle of the earth, and our fellow creatures. Animals don't deserve half the shit we've done to them. Time is running out and humanity has a lot of apologizing to do.
Oh yeah, and if you work in a meat department or distribution of any kind I'd have to look heavily down on you as a fool behind the corrupt machine. Especially if you're vegetarian. Wtf? Make up your mind, you're either for the cause or against it. That's like being Jewish and assembling guns for the nazis. Der.
glitch
06-13-2005, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Luke
What is the difference between hunting and supporting factory farming? Both are fucked. Animals deserve the right to be in their own environment and surviving as they will and doing their own thing just as we do. We've invaded just about every habitat of every animal and used them for our own selfish needs. Alas, 3 out of 5 people will crack jokes about the suffering of animals when downing a burger. I'm a constant victim of mockery and insults for being vegetarian but I don't care. Even from some of my own friends or aquaintances in other bands. Yes, something is wrong with them and its pretty much summed up as ''ignorance''. Only so much you can do but laugh it off and maybe sometimes ignore it if possible. It sucks people are so shitty and apathetic. The only thing you can do is try to live as vegan as possible. It's the savior lifestyle of the earth, and our fellow creatures. Animals don't deserve half the shit we've done to them. Time is running out and humanity has a lot of apologizing to do.
Oh yeah, and if you work in a meat department or distribution of any kind I'd have to look heavily down on you as a fool behind the corrupt machine. Especially if you're vegetarian. Wtf? Make up your mind, you're either for the cause or against it. That's like being Jewish and assembling guns for the nazis. Der.
when you are hunting, the animal has the advantage and can get away for one. they KNOW not to go around humans. anyone whos ever hunted knows that.
second, they are killed a lot quicker than a cow usualy is. when you hunt the animal is shot through the neck or head, resulting in a one shot kill. sometimes this doesnt happen but the animal doesnt have its nuts ripped off, get tossed around and skinned alive. i think killing an animal the way that i do is a lot better than having them tortured
my feelings are humans are STILL animals and animals feed off one another. food chain, ya know? i know we are scientificaly past that or whatever but i still beleive that most of us will always have the instinct to eat other living things. Im against animal cruelty, not against eating animals.
the one big difference between us an animals is we have feelings. this is forever going to fuck our species, end of story.
i learned in biology that if you are vegan, you have to take suppliments or cheat somehow to get all the nesacary vitamins you need. how does this work? ive heard a bazillion science teachers say NO ITS NEAR IMPOSSABLE TO BE VEGAN REH REH REH THOSE PEOPLE CHEAT! do you guys take diatary supliments, or whats the deal? what do regular meals for you guys consist of? sorry if im asking a lot of questions, im just curious.
lastly, anyone seen this website claiming that PETA kills animals and has a freezer and stores them in it? funny stuff.
The Jesus
06-14-2005, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Crucified Coma
Like I said in another thread, I think Travis needs a hug. <3 ewwww...Coma's gay.
....
<3 Coma <3
Originally posted by glitch
when you are hunting, the animal has the advantage and can get away for one. they KNOW not to go around humans. anyone whos ever hunted knows that.
second, they are killed a lot quicker than a cow usualy is. when you hunt the animal is shot through the neck or head, resulting in a one shot kill. sometimes this doesnt happen but the animal doesnt have its nuts ripped off, get tossed around and skinned alive. i think killing an animal the way that i do is a lot better than having them tortured
my feelings are humans are STILL animals and animals feed off one another. food chain, ya know? i know we are scientificaly past that or whatever but i still beleive that most of us will always have the instinct to eat other living things. Im against animal cruelty, not against eating animals.
the one big difference between us an animals is we have feelings. this is forever going to fuck our species, end of story.
i learned in biology that if you are vegan, you have to take suppliments or cheat somehow to get all the nesacary vitamins you need. how does this work? ive heard a bazillion science teachers say NO ITS NEAR IMPOSSABLE TO BE VEGAN REH REH REH THOSE PEOPLE CHEAT! do you guys take diatary supliments, or whats the deal? what do regular meals for you guys consist of? sorry if im asking a lot of questions, im just curious.
lastly, anyone seen this website claiming that PETA kills animals and has a freezer and stores them in it? funny stuff.
First of all, Peta rules and is the best thing that has happened in the world. Secondly, killing animals for food (unless you're stuck in the alps and starving to death) is killing for no reason. There is another word for that. It's called murder. And to me, that is cruel as it is. The faster they go out, the better of course but what the fuck kind of excuse is that? Hunting is ridiculously gay and unneccessary. What a redneck hobby it has become throughout time. Nothing to be proud or boast of. Thirdly, learn to see through the stereotypes and lies concerning vegans and vegetarians because most of it is just that. Think for yourself and ask questions. You'll be amazed at the results.
As far as eating vegan, its only difficult when eating out at most restaurants. Its very fun and easy for me at home. For the most part I'm vegetarian though and I don't ever see myself going back to feasting on decayed flesh while supporting billions of deaths every year that don't need to happen. Hallelujah.
Originally posted by glitch
calm down... i asked a few questions out of curiosity, you dont have to be a dickhead about it. fact of the matter is, everyone has different beleifs no matter what you think, so get used to it, buddy. im hardly a redneck (i listen to a band called CATTLE DECAPITATION). at least by hunting im trying to keep animals from being tortured. would you rather people ate animals that were killed in a somewhat human way, or have people eat them after theyve been beaten, castrated, debeaked, skinned alive, etc...?
Killing is killing. There is no ''humane'' way of doing it period. The life of an animal isn't worth your miserable steak dinner. Get creative and learn to cook. Damn kids.
glitch
06-14-2005, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Killing is killing. There is no ''humane'' way of doing it period. The life of an animal isn't worth your miserable steak dinner. Get creative and learn to cook. Damn kids.
at least I have respect for vegans, or some of them
Should we then restrict animals from killing each other? The lion in the jungle, to use your words, "Murders" its prey. Just like we "Murders" ours.
Originally posted by LHL
Should we then restrict animals from killing each other? The lion in the jungle, to use your words, "Murders" its prey. Just like we "Murders" ours.
Animals that kill others have to in order to survive. We don't. Another typical excuse from meat-eating nimrods. Just like we don't need to wear fur or leather, or drink cows milk.
glitch
06-14-2005, 10:40 PM
i think your just pissed off cuz you dont have enough meat in your diet. calm down, we've all got our fucking opinions. notice that none of us are saying YOUR wrong, but your flipping out and acting like your the right one here
Originally posted by glitch
i think your just pissed off cuz you dont have enough meat in your diet. calm down, we've all got our fucking opinions. notice that none of us are saying YOUR wrong, but your flipping out and acting like your the right one here
Because I am. Want some meat? Eat my dick.
Oh yeah, YOU + ARE= YOU'RE.
glitch
06-14-2005, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Because I am. Want some meat? Eat my dick.
Oh yeah, YOU + ARE= YOU'RE.
your dick is *probably* meat, i dont think youd approve of that
and yeah...its a messageboard, not an english class, if thats the best slam you can come up with, maybe you should quit now
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......dead animal flesh.
this_is_my_reality
07-07-2005, 02:56 PM
:rolleyes:
I'm not vegan or even vegetarian but I don't eat much meat.
I don't agree with vegans saying it's cruel to milk cows though, WHAT?
butthole
07-07-2005, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by this_is_my_reality
:rolleyes:
I'm not vegan or even vegetarian but I don't eat much meat.
I don't agree with vegans saying it's cruel to milk cows though, WHAT?
It's the systematic way the industry goes about getting it is the problem. Alot of dairy cows are fed hormones to create larger milk bladders, which eventually gets transmitted to humans. Probably why girls that are 15 years old are winding up with gigantic tits, making them look like they're 20, which makes me scared. :)
Being crammed into a tight area without being able to move with machines hooked up to your udders doesn't sound like much fun. I'm sure the cows skin gets irritated and infected from constant application as well. Sounds miserable. But yeah, if theres a farmer milking into a bucket, I wouldn't find anything wrong with that. Though I don't think it's our place to decide what an animal is going to do with the rest of their life.
Its not a mentally handicapped child's fault that it was born that way. It's not an animals fault that they were born without the level of intelligence that humans have.
doubleonegative
07-07-2005, 06:10 PM
Being crammed into a tight area without being able to move with machines hooked up to your udders doesn't sound like much fun. I'm sure the cows skin gets irritated and infected from constant application as well. Sounds miserable. But yeah, if theres a farmer milking into a bucket, I wouldn't find anything wrong with that. Though I don't think it's our place to decide what an animal is going to do with the rest of their life.
which is why i drink Silk brand soymilk.
they need to find a cheaper way of making soy cheese though. $3 for a 10oz package of shredded cheddar is retarded.
One Punch Killer
07-07-2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Oh yeah, and if you work in a meat department or distribution of any kind I'd have to look heavily down on you as a fool behind the corrupt machine. Especially if you're vegetarian. Wtf? Make up your mind, you're either for the cause or against it. That's like being Jewish and assembling guns for the nazis. Der.
First off, I never claimed to be for or against any cause. I stated that I am a vegetarian. There is a difference. My reasons for not eating meat are not your reasons for not eating meat, so quit projecting.
Also, if I have to do something that I find personally distasteful to keep my family fed, clothed, and sheltered, then so be it. At least I'm not sponging off my parents or the government and bitching about what others do to support the few people on the planet that they feel should live.
Originally posted by butthole
It's the systematic way the industry goes about getting it is the problem. Alot of dairy cows are fed hormones to create larger milk bladders, which eventually gets transmitted to humans. Probably why girls that are 15 years old are winding up with gigantic tits, making them look like they're 20, which makes me scared. :)
Being crammed into a tight area without being able to move with machines hooked up to your udders doesn't sound like much fun. I'm sure the cows skin gets irritated and infected from constant application as well. Sounds miserable. But yeah, if theres a farmer milking into a bucket, I wouldn't find anything wrong with that. Though I don't think it's our place to decide what an animal is going to do with the rest of their life.
Its not a mentally handicapped child's fault that it was born that way. It's not an animals fault that they were born without the level of intelligence that humans have.
Let's also not forget that the male calves (Veal) are immediately auctioned off for slaughter once they are procreated to make the mother cows produce milk in the first place. It's all fucked. In the words of Karl B. from Earth Crisis, Travis' favorite band, ''Veganism is the solution'' \m/
haha its all about Destroy the Machines.
Originally posted by doubleonegative
which is why i drink Silk brand soymilk.
they need to find a cheaper way of making soy cheese though. $3 for a 10oz package of shredded cheddar is retarded.
Soy and rice milk is much better tasting, IMO, than cow's milk. It's not natural to indulge in cow tit secretions anyway. Not to mention that the only reason dairy has such a sweet and full taste is directly due to the added sugars and the hormones pumped into the fuckin things anyway to make them juice it out thicker and in larger quantities . Cheese was hard for me to give up, I'll admit. But morality is more important than tastebuds to me. It's unfortunate the rest of world is so far from the same pattern of thought.
Originally posted by One Punch Killer
First off, I never claimed to be for or against any cause. I stated that I am a vegetarian. There is a difference. My reasons for not eating meat are not your reasons for not eating meat, so quit projecting.
Also, if I have to do something that I find personally distasteful to keep my family fed, clothed, and sheltered, then so be it. At least I'm not sponging off my parents or the government and bitching about what others do to support the few people on the planet that they feel should live.
What a poor excuse to settle for a shitty job. Please do the world a favor and hop in front of a semi.
horhey
07-08-2005, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Soy and rice milk is much better tasting, IMO, than cow's milk. It's not natural to indulge in cow tit secretions anyway. Not to mention that the only reason dairy has such a sweet and full taste is directly due to the added sugars and the hormones pumped into the fuckin things anyway to make them juice it out thicker and in larger quantities . Cheese was hard for me to give up, I'll admit. But morality is more important than tastebuds to me. It's unfortunate the rest of world is so far from the same pattern of thought.
so are you back to being vegan again? i dont know if i could be vegan. i dont eat meat much more, except the occasional Dicks burger. they're too damn tasty, and when i'm drunk the grease taste so good. but i love dairy products, besides...if i gave up dairy my farts wouldn't be as wretched. then what would i do when i want to suffocate a car-load of people
Originally posted by horhey
so are you back to being vegan again? i dont know if i could be vegan. i dont eat meat much more, except the occasional Dicks burger. they're too damn tasty, and when i'm drunk the grease taste so good. but i love dairy products, besides...if i gave up dairy my farts wouldn't be as wretched. then what would i do when i want to suffocate a car-load of people
You already smell wretched as it is... and yes I'm vegan till the death now.
horhey
07-08-2005, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Luke
You already smell wretched as it is... and yes I'm vegan till the death now.
man, you dont know wretched till you sit in the jam room with jon and his barnacle walkers
One Punch Killer
07-09-2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Please do the world a favor and hop in front of a semi.
Why don't you come help me out with that fucktard? I deserve to die because I'm willing to do what needs to be done to care for my family? I suppose that you'd prefer your tax dollars going to support us when I end up on welfare for refusing to work for a living. Moron. It's called ECONOMIC REALITIES dipshit. Once you move out of Mommy's basement (and into "The Squat", no doubt), you may in fact realize that you can't always do what you wanna.
Originally posted by One Punch Killer
Why don't you come help me out with that fucktard? I deserve to die because I'm willing to do what needs to be done to care for my family? I suppose that you'd prefer your tax dollars going to support us when I end up on welfare for refusing to work for a living. Moron. It's called ECONOMIC REALITIES dipshit. Once you move out of Mommy's basement (and into "The Squat", no doubt), you may in fact realize that you can't always do what you wanna.
Everything you're saying is outright nonsense. There are plenty of fields to choose from in the lovely line of work and business. You chose a meat department. Were you held at gunpoint to accept this work? I doubt it. Did you not have other choices at the time when you were applying and therefore took the job? I doubt it even more. Stop embarassing yourself. If you don't take pride in your work, look elsewhere immediately. If you do, then I can't help you. Hah.
dfd3657
07-11-2005, 01:49 PM
My sister's been vegan for about a year now, and it's done me some good. She was always saying how eating meat is disgusting, blah blah blah, but not so much anymore. I still eat meat, but I RESPECT other people's beliefs (unlike some other certain people here). My sister always cooks vegan food, and some of it, I don't find to be all that tasty, but a lot of her stuff is DAMN GOOD (like her pancakes; mmmmm). I've even grown to like soy milk (at first, it tasted a bit odd, but I really like it now). I'm still going to eat meat and everything, but I now see vegetarians and vegans in a completely new light after living with one for about a year. Although a lot of them still annoy me, like the ones that don't have facts to back up their claims, and just go around saying "MEAT IS MURDER!" But yeah, I respect the majority of them. Basically, live with a vegan. It'll do ya good. lol.
dfd3657
07-11-2005, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by butthole
It's the systematic way the industry goes about getting it is the problem. Alot of dairy cows are fed hormones to create larger milk bladders, which eventually gets transmitted to humans. Probably why girls that are 15 years old are winding up with gigantic tits, making them look like they're 20, which makes me scared. :)
Being crammed into a tight area without being able to move with machines hooked up to your udders doesn't sound like much fun. I'm sure the cows skin gets irritated and infected from constant application as well. Sounds miserable. But yeah, if theres a farmer milking into a bucket, I wouldn't find anything wrong with that. Though I don't think it's our place to decide what an animal is going to do with the rest of their life.
Its not a mentally handicapped child's fault that it was born that way. It's not an animals fault that they were born without the level of intelligence that humans have.
I'm glad to see you're not opposed to milking cows as long as it's humane. Cause I know a lot of people that are opposed completely (like my sister:p). And who says big tits are bad? lol. Well, on 15 year olds, it's kinda freaky, cause now you can't get an estimate of the age by the size of the chest. lmao. Oh, and awesome sig, by the way.
dfd3657
07-11-2005, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Luke
First of all, Peta rules and is the best thing that has happened in the world.
My sister is vegan and she doesn't like them. She thinks they're crazy. lol. And don't go saying she's not a "true" vegan cause she doesn't like PETA.
Originally posted by dfd3657
My sister's been vegan for about a year now, and it's done me some good. She was always saying how eating meat is disgusting, blah blah blah, but not so much anymore. I still eat meat, but I RESPECT other people's beliefs (unlike some other certain people here). My sister always cooks vegan food, and some of it, I don't find to be all that tasty, but a lot of her stuff is DAMN GOOD (like her pancakes; mmmmm). I've even grown to like soy milk (at first, it tasted a bit odd, but I really like it now). I'm still going to eat meat and everything, but I now see vegetarians and vegans in a completely new light after living with one for about a year. Although a lot of them still annoy me, like the ones that don't have facts to back up their claims, and just go around saying "MEAT IS MURDER!" But yeah, I respect the majority of them. Basically, live with a vegan. It'll do ya good. lol.
Good post I guess, but how many facts do you need with something so obvious and a no brainer as to the destructive effects of the meat industry on the environment and innocent life. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Originally posted by dfd3657
My sister is vegan and she doesn't like them. She thinks they're crazy. lol. And don't go saying she's not a "true" vegan cause she doesn't like PETA.
I'm 50/50 as far as Peta is concerned. I appreciate what they do for animals as a whole, but I do not fully trust them 100% of the time in terms of donations and their overall motives. In a way its like a charity and no charity is fully trustworthy imo.
P.S. what does your sister do with her pancakes that makes them so rad? Furthermore, is she hot? :)
glitch
07-11-2005, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Luke
I'm 50/50 as far as Peta is concerned. I appreciate what they do for animals as a whole, but I do not fully trust them 100% of the time in terms of donations and their overall motives. In a way its like a charity and no charity is fully trustworthy imo.
P.S. what does your sister do with her pancakes that makes them so rad? Furthermore, is she hot? :)
if your 50/50 on peta how the hell is that the best thing to happen to this world. seriously, out of the handful of vegans i have met you might be the biggest dipshit. you resepect no ones beleifs and act like YOU are right. your acting like you are the vegan jesus. seriously, get some god damn respect or shut the fuck up.
Originally posted by glitch
if your 50/50 on peta how the hell is that the best thing to happen to this world. seriously, out of the handful of vegans i have met you might be the biggest dipshit. you resepect no ones beleifs and act like YOU are right. your acting like you are the vegan jesus. seriously, get some god damn respect or shut the fuck up.
First of all, spelling lesson for the day.
YOU + ARE= YOU'RE . Not too difficult.
Secondly, I'm not going to be one of those ''respectful'' vegans (more like ''afraid'') and pussyfoot around meat-eating topics like I respect your beliefs and don't want anyone questioning or insulting mine. The truth of it all is I think meat eaters are misguided, and in your case.. fuckin stupid. You see, I'm not afraid to tell anyone that. I love animals that much. It is one thing to be raised on a diet of meat as most of us are and be brainwashed in thinking if we don't eat it we're missing out on important nutrients. But when you finally realize how corrupt the industry and how morally degrading the explotation of defenseless creatures can be at the rate we exploit them, you start to think for yourself and eventually you leave the shit off your plate. It's not my fault you are a waste of space and haven't reached this wonderful stepping stone so don't try to make me feel bad.
:)
glitch
07-11-2005, 05:34 PM
no, you just lack respect for others. and you probably love animals so much because every human got sick of you acting like you are something fucking special because you dont eat meat. you arent, sorry. many people make the choice, it doesnt make you better. and if you think your better because you dont eat meat, you should go jump off a fucking bridge because you oviously arent any more mature than a 12 year old.
if not eating meat is gonna make me as disrespectful ignorant and retarded as you, by all means, slaughter animals and be as cruel as you want about it.
we should go back to tracking elephants down for 2 weeks then attacking them with sharpened sticks
glitch
07-12-2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Wow, you can say the fuck word over and over. You're brOOtal.
Since your pea-brain didn't catch on to what I'm saying there, allow me to rephrase. I stress that those who eat meat are misguided (whether for nutritious reasons or just not remotely aware of the harshness that goes on in the industries). However those who go out of their way to make jokes and excuses to eat animals are quite simply... FUCKING STUPID. Simple equation. Your sister should skull fuck you with a dildo. Maybe common sense and emotion will kick in. Eh, doubt it.
i think you have a bloodclot somewhere thats stopping the blood to your head
Originally posted by glitch
i think you have a bloodclot somewhere thats stopping the blood to your head
Nah my blood pressure is perfect. You're the one who eats dead animals so you're more suspect to those conditions, aren't you? :p
dfd3657
07-12-2005, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Wow, you can say the fuck word over and over. You're brOOtal.
Since your pea-brain didn't catch on to what I'm saying there, allow me to rephrase. I stress that those who eat meat are misguided (whether for nutritious reasons or just not remotely aware of the harshness that goes on in the industries). However those who go out of their way to make jokes and excuses to eat animals are quite simply... FUCKING STUPID. Simple equation. Your sister should skull fuck you with a dildo. Maybe common sense and emotion will kick in. Eh, doubt it.
Ah, I give up. There's just no getting through that thick skull, is there? Now, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY respect vegan beliefs and everything, and I respect most vegans, but it's the ones like you that piss me off. Just don't say that we're "misguided" for eating meat. It's in our DNA. We evolved from the homosapiens of MANY years ago, and what did they do? They HUNTED and ate meat. Sure, they may have eaten some vegetables here and there, but their diet consisted mostly of meat. Also, if you notice inside your mouth, those two pointy teeth are called canines (which you probably didn't know), which are used for chewing meat. If we were meant to eat just vegetables, etc., we wouldn't have evolved that way. Now, I'm not trying to rub it in your face that "meat is good," and that we evolved to crave meat. As I've said before, I wholeheartedly respect vegan beliefs (I live with a vegan), but you just need to open your mind a little bit and show some god damn respect. Maybe, if you showed a little respect for other people, we wouldn't need to have this god damn arguement. Point and case.
glitch
07-12-2005, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by dfd3657
Ah, I give up. There's just no getting through that thick skull, is there? Now, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY respect vegan beliefs and everything, and I respect most vegans, but it's the ones like you that piss me off. Just don't say that we're "misguided" for eating meat. It's in our DNA. We evolved from the homosapiens of MANY years ago, and what did they do? They HUNTED and ate meat. Sure, they may have eaten some vegetables here and there, but their diet consisted mostly of meat. Also, if you notice inside your mouth, those two pointy teeth are called canines (which you probably didn't know), which are used for chewing meat. If we were meant to eat just vegetables, etc., we wouldn't have evolved that way. Now, I'm not trying to rub it in your face that "meat is good," and that we evolved to crave meat. As I've said before, I wholeheartedly respect vegan beliefs (I live with a vegan), but you just need to open your mind a little bit and show some god damn respect. Maybe, if you showed a little respect for other people, we wouldn't need to have this god damn arguement. Point and case.
stated.
this_is_my_reality
07-12-2005, 03:58 PM
Let's also not forget that the male calves (Veal) are immediately auctioned off for slaughter once they are procreated to make the mother cows produce milk in the first place. It's all fucked
Yeah, if there's one thing which really disgusts me about a lot of humans, it's the ones that eat veal.
Seriously, what the fuck, people can eat a baby cow that was taken away from it's mother and still walk around without a guilty conscience?
And as I've said before, I'm not vegetarian, but the killing of calfs because people think the meat tastes nicer than older cow just sickens me.
Same with lamb, leave those poor lambs alone, fat cunts, go get colonic cancer.
I don't eat all that much meat, but I have considered going vegetarian a few times, I just might end up doing so.
Like Travis said at the top of this page (although it was to do with milk, not meat), animals are practically cramped together all day and night, and then they get killed, so most of them don't even have a happy life before they die, it's saddening.
Originally posted by dfd3657
Ah, I give up. There's just no getting through that thick skull, is there? Now, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY respect vegan beliefs and everything, and I respect most vegans, but it's the ones like you that piss me off. Just don't say that we're "misguided" for eating meat. It's in our DNA. We evolved from the homosapiens of MANY years ago, and what did they do? They HUNTED and ate meat. Sure, they may have eaten some vegetables here and there, but their diet consisted mostly of meat. Also, if you notice inside your mouth, those two pointy teeth are called canines (which you probably didn't know), which are used for chewing meat. If we were meant to eat just vegetables, etc., we wouldn't have evolved that way. Now, I'm not trying to rub it in your face that "meat is good," and that we evolved to crave meat. As I've said before, I wholeheartedly respect vegan beliefs (I live with a vegan), but you just need to open your mind a little bit and show some god damn respect. Maybe, if you showed a little respect for other people, we wouldn't need to have this god damn arguement. Point and case.
Oh good god, don't get me started on the whole ''evolution'' topic now. It's dipshits like you that have made certain ''vegans'' so assertive and pissed off all the time. Sheer ignorance. Our teeth aren't designed to chew meat. Just because we can doesn't mean we SHOULD. There is absolutely no such thing as having tastes for certain foods in our DNA, you tard. That's gotta be the most absurd meat-eater argument yet. Our special ancestors that ''hunted'' before us most likely had to in order to survive. We're not living in the alps anymore, numbnuts. Let it also be known that many of our ancestors and historians were hardcore vegetarians and strong with the cause. Militant about it? Fuck yeah they were. You ain't seen shit sonny. The excuses get more intolerable by the post. Fuck respect. Your views suck and I could care less if i'm one of them vegans that ''ruin'' it for you. I'm glad I could help.
dfd3657
07-12-2005, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Luke
Oh good god, don't get me started on the whole ''evolution'' topic now. It's dipshits like you that have made certain ''vegans'' so assertive and pissed off all the time. Sheer ignorance. Our teeth aren't designed to chew meat. Just because we can doesn't mean we SHOULD. There is absolutely no such thing as having tastes for certain foods in our DNA, you tard. That's gotta be the most absurd meat-eater argument yet. Our special ancestors that ''hunted'' before us most likely had to in order to survive. We're not living in the alps anymore, numbnuts. Let it also be known that many of our ancestors and historians were hardcore vegetarians and strong with the cause. Militant about it? Fuck yeah they were. You ain't seen shit sonny. The excuses get more intolerable by the post. Fuck respect. Your views suck and I could care less if i'm one of them vegans that ''ruin'' it for you. I'm glad I could help.
The reason you're pissing me off is because you're saying we're "misguided" and "stupid" for wanting to eat meat. We can eat whatever the fuck we want. Who the hell are you to tell us what we can and can't eat, Hitler? I only came into this topic to defend glitch, but now it's an all out war. I'm fucking done. I can't stand your assinine comments. But I guess anything I say is immediately devoid of any meaning because I eat meat. I guess the opinions of a meat eater don't matter, Mr. High and Mighty.
dfd3657
07-12-2005, 05:48 PM
And I can obviously get along just fine, because my sister's vegan, and we get along just fine (we sometimes fight, but not about meat related matters). And so are all her friends.
http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html
dfd3657
07-12-2005, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by scum
http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html
Read that, Luke. Seriously.
Originally posted by dfd3657
Read that, Luke. Seriously.
Yeah, did I mention how amused I get when a meat-eater loses a debate and in a last attempt pulls out a Maddox link? You've all been crushed.
xxx Vegan Militia xxx
<< Out.
doubleonegative
07-13-2005, 12:11 PM
wow. drama
Originally posted by Luke
Yeah, did I mention how amused I get when a meat-eater loses a debate and in a last attempt pulls out a Maddox link? You've all been crushed.
lol
Shawn
07-13-2005, 05:12 PM
Now normally I don't give a shit either way. But honestly, that Luke fucker just reminds me of one of those fucking "sxe or die" faggots. Way to try to impose your views upon everyone. Especially because your 16 year old ass is obviously more correct about everything than anyone else with an opinion. Shut the fuck up, faggot.
Originally posted by Shawn
Now normally I don't give a shit either way. But honestly, that Luke fucker just reminds me of one of those fucking "sxe or die" faggots. Way to try to impose your views upon everyone. Especially because your 16 year old ass is obviously more correct about everything than anyone else with an opinion. Shut the fuck up, faggot.
isnt this Luke guy the dude from Sleep Terror?
I dont think he's 16 but yea he doenst have to make such a big deal out of it, not everyone is gonna agree with him, he doenst have to make a huge deal out of it and get all pissed off
doesn't he smoke too? people who smoke shouldn't have any right to bitch at people who eat meat
the concubine
07-16-2005, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by glitch
when you are hunting, the animal has the advantage and can get away for one. they KNOW not to go around humans. anyone whos ever hunted knows that.
I didnt even read this whole post.
Animals shouldnt have to be that way... really.
They should come around us.
Honestly... thats kind of fucked up.
Shawn
07-16-2005, 05:10 AM
waht the fuck are you talking about? A fucking gazelle is not going to chill around lions is it? Are you going to bitch at the lions for eating the gazelle if the gazelle gets caught?
oh, and don't respond with some douchebag argument about how the slaughtering of thousands of animals isn't the same. I know that. I'm talking about hunting, fool.
oh... and what amazes me most, is most vegans and shti like that, are the fucking wannabe hippies that are always talking about ending world hunger and shit. Shut the fuck up fools. And its always these animal and human rights activists that are always talking about conservation and shit. which amazes me, because the way I see it, the more people and animals that live, the more resources are needed and will be used.
Originally posted by Shawn
waht the fuck are you talking about? A fucking gazelle is not going to chill around lions is it? Are you going to bitch at the lions for eating the gazelle if the gazelle gets caught?
oh, and don't respond with some douchebag argument about how the slaughtering of thousands of animals isn't the same. I know that. I'm talking about hunting, fool.
oh... and what amazes me most, is most vegans and shti like that, are the fucking wannabe hippies that are always talking about ending world hunger and shit. Shut the fuck up fools. And its always these animal and human rights activists that are always talking about conservation and shit. which amazes me, because the way I see it, the more people and animals that live, the more resources are needed and will be used.
Hey dumbass, if it hasn't occured to you yet... we PROCREATE billions of animals every YEAR to be raised for slaughter. This process of sustaining the meat industry not only requires an abundance of natural water and grains to feed the livestock that we're procreating in order to do so, but it is literally destroying and eating up land and natural resoures as a whole. Do the research before you run your cumflap. Also, hunting is extremely unneccessary. Who the fuck needs to hunt? We're not cavemen anymore are we? I think that's really an excuse for having a small dick. Animals need to be left to live their own lives and undisturbed and we must get on with ours. It is the only true way to finding peace. There is no defensive argument against veganism or animal rights, or human rights for that matter. Grow up some and hit up the library, fucknuts. It's termites like you that keep Bush in office. Total waste of oxygen.
Shawn
07-16-2005, 07:11 AM
yeah, but like I said, we're not talking about the necessity of hunting, are we? We were talking about given that hunting is already taking place. And do you're own fucking research. Click on that maddox link, he goes into detail about the whole water and resources thing. Information that is in fact true aswell. Either way, I'm not the waste of oxygen. I don't give a shit if you're right or not, I'm not going to stop eating meat. Neither will the rest of the world... thus rendering your life useless. Besides, all of your "intelligence" would be better served... well... NOT on a messageboard. If you honestly think you're life matters and that for some reason or another running your mouth about this shit is going to do something, take it up with someone important, because I garauntee you, that even if you convince all of us 16-18 year olds on this board, it wont give your life any more of a point, or help your cause any.
Originally posted by Shawn
yeah, but like I said, we're not talking about the necessity of hunting, are we? We were talking about given that hunting is already taking place. And do you're own fucking research. Click on that maddox link, he goes into detail about the whole water and resources thing. Information that is in fact true aswell. Either way, I'm not the waste of oxygen. I don't give a shit if you're right or not, I'm not going to stop eating meat. Neither will the rest of the world... thus rendering your life useless. Besides, all of your "intelligence" would be better served... well... NOT on a messageboard. If you honestly think you're life matters and that for some reason or another running your mouth about this shit is going to do something, take it up with someone important, because I garauntee you, that even if you convince all of us 16-18 year olds on this board, it wont give your life any more of a point, or help your cause any.
Again, I enjoy the debate. I view hunting to be just as morally corrupt as the general exploitation of animals for their cooked skins and byproducts. You are young and still brainwashed into believing that meat and the use of animals for food is this great and neccessary thing and I'm just telling you it very well isn't. And I do agree with you that it can be a waste of time and energy ranting about shit like this on a message board. In fact, I quit message boards all together for months until this topic came up. I don't get as serious and overdramatic behind the computer screen as it seems when I type. Hell, most of the time I'm laughing at this shit. However, I'm still pretty adamant about animal liberation. Their freedom will ultimately be our peace. And I am proud to say that I'm responsible for many of my friends and their friends as well turning to vegetarianism just by some of the debates or words I had with them on the subject. It's a beautiful thing to save lives (regardless of how indirect it can be done). I also have several meat eating friends and I don't put them down. That's their choice. In the end, they always end up asking me about my diet and why I do it. It's an inevitable topic. Oh and please don't try to convince me anything with that Maddox douche. Talk about the ultimate antagonistic meat eater with no substance (other than sheer sarcasm and contrived falsehood) behind his arguments. Please tell me you can do better than that. Somehow I don't expect you to.
glitch
07-19-2005, 08:23 PM
that maddox thread has a cited source from i think time magizine. luke, go read it and tell me you dont feel like a complete idiot. or come back and flip out because you are (apparently) god of all things veggie and protector of all animals.
Originally posted by glitch
that maddox thread has a cited source from i think time magizine. luke, go read it and tell me you dont feel like a complete idiot. or come back and flip out because you are (apparently) god of all things veggie and protector of all animals.
I'm supposed to feel like an idiot by reading some acne-faced kid's ''hippy'' accusations against vegans and wannabe Denis Leary ''murder tastes good!'' quotes? Spare me. Never once have any of my points been proven wrong in the hundreds of debates I've been pulled into. The fact is that veganism will always be displayed and promoted as an unhealthy and unsatisfactory diet and lifestyle so the meat industry can pull in extra $$$. Think beyond the system for once kid, it might do you some good.
glitch
07-19-2005, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Luke
I'm supposed to feel like an idiot by reading some acne-faced kid's ''hippy'' accusations against vegans and wannabe Denis Leary ''murder tastes good!'' quotes? Spare me. Never once have any of my points been proven wrong in the hundreds of debates I've been pulled into. The fact is that veganism will always be displayed and promoted as an unhealthy and unsatisfactory diet and lifestyle so the meat industry can pull in extra $$$. Think beyond the system for once kid, it might do you some good.
if you read my post youd see that i said at the bottom of his rant is a cited page where you can go find information from some magazine, i think its time, which basicaly sums up his arguement. maddox isnt a real news site so i figured maybe you could drag your sorry ass over to the other site and read it from there.
and its not about the system. its about how youre a retard and that article pretty much shows that even if you ARE vegan you still manage to kill animals in order to eat. and since theres a link there from a legitmate source, its probably right. you just dont want to click it because you have no way to defend it.
Originally posted by glitch
if you read my post youd see that i said at the bottom of his rant is a cited page where you can go find information from some magazine, i think its time, which basicaly sums up his arguement. maddox isnt a real news site so i figured maybe you could drag your sorry ass over to the other site and read it from there.
and its not about the system. its about how youre a retard and that article pretty much shows that even if you ARE vegan you still manage to kill animals in order to eat. and since theres a link there from a legitmate source, its probably right. you just dont want to click it because you have no way to defend it.
Dude, seriously.. are you that fucking dumb? Instead of sucking so much cock to excuse your poor eating habits and weak lifestyle, you could perhaps try to think of this:
No matter what we consume or what we do, some form of life will be destroyed or some form of suffering will take place. Planting our own crops? Yes. Buying crops that were planted by someone else? Yes. Buying the dead flesh of a slaughtered being that had to consume 90% more of the crops I do just to supply you with a slab of its decayed flesh (your neanderthal equivalent, a ''stupid'' animal)? Yes. Hell, even buying coffee or the last guitar you tried to play in your shitty band (yes, the coffee and musical instrument industries require slavery to make and ship the product).
Now lets think what we can do here.
1) Limit such suffering by consuming less of it in any way possible OR finding alternative methods of making or obtaining it that will be possible for our schedules and lifestyle.
2) Say ''fuck it all'' and eat and live how we choose because no matter what everything is fucked anyway and something will be at stake for it no matter what.
You and Faggox chose option 2. I choose 1. If you don't like it, call me insane. I'm better and doing more than you can dream of and none of your frail arguments can change this. Since you're probably still in high school and don't even know what a soybean or who our current president is, I'll forget this ever happened.
I am very against any kind of growth hormones, but man, I LOVE meat. A big damn medium rare juicy stake and baked potato with all the fixings. mmm damn good grub if you ask me.
As long as they are not needlessly inflicting pain on animals I don't see anything wrong with eating them. Law of nature, you kill to survive, that's the way it is all over the world in every form of the ecosystem.
Now, torture and sick primitive screw heads getting off on hurting any form of life simply for the sick pleasure of it, well then that's a different story all together.
Originally posted by Tyr
I am very against any kind of growth hormones, but man, I LOVE meat. A big damn medium rare juicy stake and baked potato with all the fixings. mmm damn good grub if you ask me.
As long as they are not needlessly inflicting pain on animals I don't see anything wrong with eating them. Law of nature, you kill to survive, that's the way it is all over the world in every form of the ecosystem.
Interesting point, have you ever had to kill for your food? Because I was pretty hungry last night and I whipped up a storm of food. Last time I checked there was no blood on my shirt after doing so.
horhey
07-21-2005, 02:51 PM
luke, people are going to do what they want to do. eat meat or not. just cuz you aet meat doesnt make you stupid. it means you believe different than others. if you want to help make a difference just state why you do what you do and leave it at that. maybe it'll get some people thinking, but it will do a lot better than flaming people on the internet.
then there are the dumbasses that think its fun to rub the fact that they eat meat in peoples faces. that's just as annoying...
eat meat or not, it's your choice
Originally posted by horhey
then there are the dumbasses that think its fun to rub the fact that they eat meat in peoples faces. that's just as annoying...
You think? lol, yeah that reminds me of my little trip through California last month with this band called Barefoot Barnacle.
Crucified Coma
07-21-2005, 03:57 PM
It tastes better when the animals are tortured. Gives it an extra bit of flavor. Mmm.
horhey
07-21-2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Luke
You think? lol, yeah that reminds me of my little trip through California last month with this band called Barefoot Barnacle.
by rubbing it in your face i dont mean tea-bagging
Originally posted by horhey
by rubbing it in your face i dont mean tea-bagging
Haha, k.
Antæos
07-21-2005, 05:36 PM
Luke, just a little heads-up...
Humans are omnivorous. They eat both meat and vegetables. If you want mankind to refrain from eating meat entirely, you want to derail human evolution?
I'm not arguing that it's not a good idea to be vegan, I have all kinds of respect for you and your preferences in the kitchen, but humans have eaten meat since they were humans...
Originally posted by Antæos
Luke, just a little heads-up...
Humans are omnivorous. They eat both meat and vegetables. If you want mankind to refrain from eating meat entirely, you want to derail human evolution?
I'm not arguing that it's not a good idea to be vegan, I have all kinds of respect for you and your preferences in the kitchen, but humans have eaten meat since they were humans...
The only aspect of evolution there has been in terms of consuming meat is that we've become much more tolerant to high amounts of cholesterol by eating it throughout time. Many of our ancestors were vegetarian for the same reason I am. Hell, many of them were vegetarian for health reasons (Hitler, for example haha). ''Omnivorous'' means it is possible we can digest meat and vegetables but not neccessarily that we have to. None of us HAVE to eat meat. Yet we still make the choice to in terms of satisfying our tastebuds and feeling ''fuller''. I think the ''evolution'' topic is quite silly. I mean what are you worried about, not reproducing a full healthy human or helping to sustain the human species in a certain way? Uhh. To me evolution means being healthy. I feel better, look better, and have a sense of peace since I went vegan some time ago. That's all that matters to me. And again, I'm not shoving my beliefs down anyones throat. Just chiming in on the subject and attempting to help the brainwashed individuals question the ethics their parents raised them on. It's pretty sad some will never touch the idea of doing so.
veggielante
07-21-2005, 08:10 PM
It's important to remember that most of us are not born vegan. We become vegan after resolving a cognitive dissonance, a conflict of comfort and social conditioning with a nagging consciousness of our complicity in the taking of innocent life. My point is that while it hard for me as a vegan to contain my emotions at what I see as selfish support of the killing of other creatures, I am not going to win over people to a compassionate lifestyle by alienating them. It's a balancing act. I was a meat eater over a decade ago before I realized the unfairness of my ways. I can't honestly tell meat eaters that their choice is a valid ethical choice, but I try to convey my view in a friendly way instead of antagonizing.
Crucified Coma
07-21-2005, 08:17 PM
It's important to remember that you're a fucking homo. I hope you get eaten by a bear.
glitch
07-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Luke
The only aspect of evolution there has been in terms of consuming meat is that we've become much more tolerant to high amounts of cholesterol by eating it throughout time. Many of our ancestors were vegetarian for the same reason I am. Hell, many of them were vegetarian for health reasons (Hitler, for example haha). ''Omnivorous'' means it is possible we can digest meat and vegetables but not neccessarily that we have to. None of us HAVE to eat meat. Yet we still make the choice to in terms of satisfying our tastebuds and feeling ''fuller''. I think the ''evolution'' topic is quite silly. I mean what are you worried about, not reproducing a full healthy human or helping to sustain the human species in a certain way? Uhh. To me evolution means being healthy. I feel better, look better, and have a sense of peace since I went vegan some time ago. That's all that matters to me. And again, I'm not shoving my beliefs down anyones throat. Just chiming in on the subject and attempting to help the brainwashed individuals question the ethics their parents raised them on. It's pretty sad some will never touch the idea of doing so.
yeah man fight the power, the government WANTS us to eat meat, man. its part of thier huge brainwashing theory...
not
Originally posted by glitch
yeah man fight the power, the government WANTS us to eat meat, man. its part of thier huge brainwashing theory...
not
You again? I guess several crushings weren't enough. Begone little one.
Originally posted by veggielante
It's important to remember that most of us are not born vegan. We become vegan after resolving a cognitive dissonance, a conflict of comfort and social conditioning with a nagging consciousness of our complicity in the taking of innocent life. My point is that while it hard for me as a vegan to contain my emotions at what I see as selfish support of the killing of other creatures, I am not going to win over people to a compassionate lifestyle by alienating them. It's a balancing act. I was a meat eater over a decade ago before I realized the unfairness of my ways. I can't honestly tell meat eaters that their choice is a valid ethical choice, but I try to convey my view in a friendly way instead of antagonizing.
Actually I've turned some of my best friends into vegetarians by being a good combination of both. ;)
veggielante
07-22-2005, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Crucified Coma
It's important to remember that you're a fucking homo. I hope you get eaten by a bear.
Let's assume for a second that I am a homo. What's your point?
When I think about sharing this world with rectal drippings like you, maybe getting eaten by a bear isn't such a bad idea after all. Do you actually have something to say, or are you just getting off on being an online asshole?
Antæos
07-22-2005, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Luke
The only aspect of evolution there has been in terms of consuming meat is that we've become much more tolerant to high amounts of cholesterol by eating it throughout time. Many of our ancestors were vegetarian for the same reason I am. Hell, many of them were vegetarian for health reasons (Hitler, for example haha). ''Omnivorous'' means it is possible we can digest meat and vegetables but not neccessarily that we have to. None of us HAVE to eat meat. Yet we still make the choice to in terms of satisfying our tastebuds and feeling ''fuller''. I think the ''evolution'' topic is quite silly. I mean what are you worried about, not reproducing a full healthy human or helping to sustain the human species in a certain way? Uhh. To me evolution means being healthy. I feel better, look better, and have a sense of peace since I went vegan some time ago. That's all that matters to me. And again, I'm not shoving my beliefs down anyones throat. Just chiming in on the subject and attempting to help the brainwashed individuals question the ethics their parents raised them on. It's pretty sad some will never touch the idea of doing so.
Interesting.
I'm not sure I understand you when you postulate that the only thing we've evolved is enhanced resistance to cholesterol. If you let your tongue slide over your teeth, you'll notice certain cerrations. These allow us to tear through muscle and tendon, and we didn't get that by casually eating meat for fun. We got that because we ate meat through a very long period of time.
If humans were to be herbivorous, certainly we'd have done so since plants are somewhat easier to catch and consume than the various mastodons and whatnot that have been the subject of sustenance 'back in the days'. And that thing about eating meat making one less healthy, or preventing full health, is a bit of a falsehood, isn't it? I mean, creatine and iron (is that the word in English?) are somewhat vital substances that you'll get from eating meat.
I admire that you are able to be vegetarian. I do. And you've obviously reaped benefits thereof, which I think is great. But it's still not mankinds hidden destiny or anything :)
So anyway... what recipies can you recommend? Cause all the veggie food I've eaten tastes kind of heartless.
horhey
07-22-2005, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Antæos
So anyway... what recipies can you recommend? Cause all the veggie food I've eaten tastes kind of heartless.
haha, that's the point
Shawn
07-23-2005, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by Luke
And again, I'm not shoving my beliefs down anyones throat. oh really?
Originally posted by Antæos
Interesting.
I'm not sure I understand you when you postulate that the only thing we've evolved is enhanced resistance to cholesterol. If you let your tongue slide over your teeth, you'll notice certain cerrations. These allow us to tear through muscle and tendon, and we didn't get that by casually eating meat for fun. We got that because we ate meat through a very long period of time.
If humans were to be herbivorous, certainly we'd have done so since plants are somewhat easier to catch and consume than the various mastodons and whatnot that have been the subject of sustenance 'back in the days'. And that thing about eating meat making one less healthy, or preventing full health, is a bit of a falsehood, isn't it? I mean, creatine and iron (is that the word in English?) are somewhat vital substances that you'll get from eating meat.
I admire that you are able to be vegetarian. I do. And you've obviously reaped benefits thereof, which I think is great. But it's still not mankinds hidden destiny or anything :)
So anyway... what recipies can you recommend? Cause all the veggie food I've eaten tastes kind of heartless.
Our teeth aren't ''made'' for tearing through meat man. Carnivorous animals are though. We can tear through meat, yes. From the studies I've done on the evolutionary aspect where diet is concerned I do recall it not having much of an impact other than the cholesterol tolerance issue I brought up. Last time I checked my teeth aren't that sharp. It's much easier to eat fruit, veggies, breads, etc. and my jaw feels much more relaxed and pain-free after doing so. :)
Veggie food? Heartless? Just try it for a day or two and come back. If you don't like it, eat meat again. Then come back and give it another try. And most importantly (especially for you Borehey).. LEARN TO COOK. It's a beautiful thing and it'll save you a lifetime of hassle. Believe me.
1- Boca Burgers (you can even get these at Dennys and they're pretty damn close to the real thing minus the torture that took place to get it between the buns haha)
2- GARDENBURGER. I'm telling you, next time you go to the store get the bbq riblets. To die for! The chicken patties are amazing as well. You simply can't go wrong with this brand.
3- If you're a milk drinker, check out ''very very vanilla'' by Silk. It's soymilk and just about the most heavenly beverage in my opinion. Rice Dream makes some pretty godlike carob milk as well. All natural ingredients.
4- Tofu. You can pretty much do ANYTHING with tofu. We're talking everything from cheese, eggs, to smoothies, to mock meats and you name it. It's all out there.
If you do buy any of these products let me know what you think of them.
this_is_my_reality
07-23-2005, 09:46 AM
I don't think I could become vegan, I tried soya milk the other day. Nasty, urgh:(
Antæos
07-23-2005, 04:54 PM
Luke >>
Dude, I tried some stuff yesterday. I was taking out to eat by my girlfriend's parents and I ordered veggie for shits and giggles. I couldn't get exactly what you recommended there, since this is Denmark and all, but I had some kind of veggie sausages which were great. Kind of like real sausages but without that sometimes disgusting taste of fat. Then there was the salad and all, which I eat lots of normally anyway. Then there was ravioli with spinach, which was meh. I like ravioli, but spinach is how I imagine stale seaweed and semen tastes.
Do you know some recipies online or something? Or shall I buy a cook book?
Originally posted by Antæos
Luke >>
Dude, I tried some stuff yesterday. I was taking out to eat by my girlfriend's parents and I ordered veggie for shits and giggles. I couldn't get exactly what you recommended there, since this is Denmark and all, but I had some kind of veggie sausages which were great. Kind of like real sausages but without that sometimes disgusting taste of fat. Then there was the salad and all, which I eat lots of normally anyway. Then there was ravioli with spinach, which was meh. I like ravioli, but spinach is how I imagine stale seaweed and semen tastes.
Do you know some recipies online or something? Or shall I buy a cook book?
There are tons of vegan and vegetarian recipes online, I don't know where to start. Try www.goveg.com for starters. I love spinach man, makes me strong and plenty of iron. Good eats. But try that site, it should link you to many others as well.
Antæos
07-24-2005, 12:04 PM
Thanks alot bro. I discovered some awesome shit to eat for lunch, tasted great. Now onto the dinner! :D
yellah teeth
07-24-2005, 07:05 PM
If anyone wants to trade veg recipes, I am down. Yes, I know, I'm fruity like that...
BTW, where is skunk carcass???
veggielante
07-27-2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by yellah teeth
If anyone wants to trade veg recipes, I am down. Yes, I know, I'm fruity like that...
There are a few good websites dedicated to that, I'll look them up later and post the links. There are also a few excellent books, but some are hard to get. I have a crazy self produced vegan cookbook from an American collective with recommended music to listen to when cooking each recipe. Mostly hardcore, but but a lot of metal too. They even have a chapter on brewing your own beer at home, if you don't want to support corporate bottled urine. I wish I remembered where I put it and how it's called.
Anyhow, there are a couple of good recipes here (http://www.veggielante.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=5) Feel free to add your own.
There's nothing fruity about making good food. I love throwing vegan potlucks. You get a serious variety of food, some heavy music to grunt along with, and good company. If anyone here is from the greater Toronto area, drop me a line. I'm planning one in a couple of weeks.
Casketcrusher666
08-22-2005, 02:56 PM
Hmm...yeah well I eat meat..alot of meat. In fact I love meat. I would kill an animal and it it raw if I would'nt get sick. It is part of the nature of life you know. Like are you going to yell at an Owl for eating a mouse? or an Aligator for eating a deer or something? I mean it is a course of life. Hey if I can sit through Cannibal Holocaust while eating dinner and not even flinch then I know I don't think it's bad. But I don't pressure people into eating meat or call them stupid if they are a vegitatian. That's just immature. I listen to Carcass and Cattle Decapitation and love it and they are vegitarians...but so what? They are nice fucking guys who belive that everyone should have their own thing.
So yeah I think people should do whatever they want. I mean people may not agree with it but hey...you can't please everyone. Like there is this vegitatian girl in my school who comes up to me almost every fucking day in the cafiteria and says "Oh my god, you are a murderer. Do you know that meat is murder. Don't kill animals for food!" Then I say "Perhaps I should just kill you and eat you!" (Although I do realize humans are conisdered animals.LOL) And then she goes on for the whole lunch time about how sick I am. What a bitch.
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