Goratory's Thoughts On This Matter.. [Archive]

goratory

02-21-2005, 07:11 PM

i do support the whole free download thing and if my computer was better i would probably have those sharing programs also. I know Darren has one of them. It is great for helping bands get a bigger audience because people don't have to take a chance and spend money on something they don't like, they just get it free. BUT, what i don't like is the fact that Rice on Suede has sold under 30 copies in the US cause it got ripped so hard online and that is was ripped for so long before the cd came out. Either that, or we have absolutely no fans here, haha. This really kills us because with sales like that its pretty depressing. This is mainly also the reason we will not be touring here anytime soon. We sold a shitload of cds in Europe, so that is where we will be doing most of our touring.

Goaters

02-21-2005, 08:45 PM

wow under 30 copy? man is that including sales from like other record label e-stors and online stores and such?
and i've always wondered.. how does a album get leaked on to the net even before the actual album has been released? on some bands cases months before the actual release date..

Valley of Solitude

02-21-2005, 10:00 PM

thats fucked up

t_rex

02-21-2005, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by goratory
i do support the whole free download thing and if my computer was better i would probably have those sharing programs also. I know Darren has one of them. It is great for helping bands get a bigger audience because people don't have to take a chance and spend money on something they don't like, they just get it free. BUT, what i don't like is the fact that Rice on Suede has sold under 30 copies in the US cause it got ripped so hard online and that is was ripped for so long before the cd came out. Either that, or we have absolutely no fans here, haha. This really kills us because with sales like that its pretty depressing. This is mainly also the reason we will not be touring here anytime soon. We sold a shitload of cds in Europe, so that is where we will be doing most of our touring.

That's real fucking bad.:eek:
But I'm sure you'd be welcome touring Australia also on the way... ;)

Reincremation

02-22-2005, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Goaters
wow under 30 copy? man is that including sales from like other record label e-stors and online stores and such?
and i've always wondered.. how does a album get leaked on to the net even before the actual album has been released? on some bands cases months before the actual release date..

The reason is that reviewers have access to the albums far in advance, and some unscrupulously share the music that they get.

EchoesOfDecimation

02-22-2005, 01:30 PM

<---------going to order the cd cause thats fuckin rediculous.

Reincremation

02-22-2005, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by EchoesOfDecimation
<---------going to order the cd cause thats fuckin rediculous.

Goaters

02-22-2005, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by goratory
ya, what happened is that we brought 25 copies of the cd to Germany with us to give to labels and to magazines to help us promote it before it was to get released. One of them obviously threw it online.
BASTARDS!.. man that is so unprofessional
but when did you guys realise your album had leeked on the net? could you not have brought the release date forward to some how .. i donno counter that in some way? or do you guys not have controle over release dates? is that a label thing?

bloodytear

02-22-2005, 04:41 PM

That is pretty fucked up, but i do have to admit to downloading Rice On Suede. I never have the money to buy cds anymore :(

porphyria

02-22-2005, 04:55 PM

filesharing and any sort of pirating of software, ect as far as I know is most common in europe and japan even more so than over here. It's not even illegal in most parts over there. Almost all the crack sites for pirated software are on servers in europe or some other country other than the U.S.

I still don't know why you haven't sold more over here, you need a label to push you guys in the US more.

Reincremation

02-22-2005, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by bloodytear
That is pretty fucked up, but i do have to admit to downloading Rice On Suede. I never have the money to buy cds anymore :(

yeah, me too, but I think I'm going to make sure to buy RoS. The fucked up thing, though, is that if Rice only sold 30 copies, what does a band like Bathtub Shitter get, like 3 albums sold? Or even something like Liturgy, for that matter.

Another big problem is that the relapse store doesn't stock Rice, and a lot of people only buy from there these days. What did Orgasm sell?

goratory

02-23-2005, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Reincremation
yeah, me too, but I think I'm going to make sure to buy RoS. The fucked up thing, though, is that if Rice only sold 30 copies, what does a band like Bathtub Shitter get, like 3 albums sold? Or even something like Liturgy, for that matter.

Another big problem is that the relapse store doesn't stock Rice, and a lot of people only buy from there these days. What did Orgasm sell?

Orgasm has sold and traded about 4000 copies through our label. We have just had no luck in the US really with sales for Rice... but it has seemed to have gotten extremely good reveiws so far. I think the downloading thing just put a huge damper on us but at the same time it helped us get new fans. The only problem is that most of our fans that i meet online do not actually buy our cds. I'm not complaining by any means or trying to change things because i feel extremely fortunate to be in a band like this but i feel that if everyone that considered themselves a big fan would actually buy a cd, we would be in an extremely better place right now.

AIDS Muppet

02-23-2005, 02:57 AM

I admit that I only downloaded and didn't buy. One problem is that no stores actually carry this cd (and many other quality cds) and I don't order online very often. I will make a point to put it on my next Unique Leader order if they stock it. It's a fucking awesome cd that deserves way more than 30 sales.

Reincremation

02-23-2005, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by goratory
Orgasm has sold and traded about 4000 copies through our label. We have just had no luck in the US really with sales for Rice... but it has seemed to have gotten extremely good reveiws so far. I think the downloading thing just put a huge damper on us but at the same time it helped us get new fans. The only problem is that most of our fans that i meet online do not actually buy our cds. I'm not complaining by any means or trying to change things because i feel extremely fortunate to be in a band like this but i feel that if everyone that considered themselves a big fan would actually buy a cd, we would be in an extremely better place right now.

Dude, try to get your label to distribute it through Relapse. That will help A LOT.

NOZARMI

02-23-2005, 01:26 PM

30? jeez.

Well, file sharing is a catch 22 indeed. If it wasn't for soulseek, I would have never discovered Goratory... but on the other hand, I did get Rice on Suede (ripped) in like June... When did it officially come out? like October???

BUT!!! - I'm proud to say, I must be one of those 30 people, cause I ordered it right away. (I rule \m/) I guess I can consider myself the owner of a "Limited Edition."

I guess rule of thumb - Never promo your Entire upcoming album. A 3 song promo will do the job "PROMOting" the album.

- Smellsign.

Crucified Coma

02-24-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by goratory
i do support the whole free download thing and if my computer was better i would probably have those sharing programs also. I know Darren has one of them. It is great for helping bands get a bigger audience because people don't have to take a chance and spend money on something they don't like, they just get it free. BUT, what i don't like is the fact that Rice on Suede has sold under 30 copies in the US cause it got ripped so hard online and that is was ripped for so long before the cd came out. Either that, or we have absolutely no fans here, haha. This really kills us because with sales like that its pretty depressing. This is mainly also the reason we will not be touring here anytime soon. We sold a shitload of cds in Europe, so that is where we will be doing most of our touring.
Another side to it though is that, you probably haven't sold any CDs BECAUSE you don't play here.

Play NYC and you can sell your 31st copy to me.

Reincremation

02-24-2005, 01:18 PM

The thing is, since I work for metalreview.com now I'm kind of allowed to download anything I want, but I should still buy Rice on Suede.

And Alan, you'll probably sell a bunch at your show on Saturday (which I can't make it to:( )

goratory

02-25-2005, 01:20 PM

there are only 1000 copies of the 1st pressing that have been gone for years now. They were repressed with new artwork last year but i don't know how many are being sold.

Goaters

02-25-2005, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by goratory
there are only 1000 copies of the 1st pressing that have been gone for years now. They were repressed with new artwork last year but i don't know how many are being sold.

the new art work on the repressed is fuckin wicked, that japanese girl kicks ass. how did you fined her?

Cloaca

03-03-2005, 06:52 PM

Psycroptic gave me OID for free when I bought a whole lot of merch and CD's off them ages ago. That's how I found out about Goratory.

Reincremation

03-03-2005, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Cloaca
Psycroptic gave me OID for free when I bought a whole lot of merch and CD's off them ages ago. That's how I found out about Goratory.

You serious? I love freebies. How much $ did you spend?

Cloaca

03-04-2005, 08:24 AM

I bought 3 CD's, a hoodie (on behalf of my friend) and a t shirt. I got another CD too, by 'THE ENCHANTED', but that sucked balls.

goratory

03-04-2005, 01:08 PM

thats really fucking cool of them!!! some of the sickest musicians i've ever heard as well.

Brutal Bands

03-08-2005, 11:09 AM

Hey Goratory dudes - Scott here from Brutal Bands. I read your post about only selling 30 copies of your new CD in the US. Either you guys have been misinformed, or you must be talking about how many copies your band has sold. I know Brutal Bands has sold 14 copies of your new CD, and many copies of your other two releases.

For all of you that are having a hard time finding this and other sick releases - check out www.brutalbands.net - don't feel as though the only place you can shop online is through Relapse or some other over-priced label that doesn't stock underground releases.

I personally disagree with pirating CDs - obviously a label would not agree with this. I know for sure that one of our releases was pirated even before we pressed it!

Goaters

03-08-2005, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Brutal Bands
Hey Goratory dudes - Scott here from Brutal Bands. I read your post about only selling 30 copies of your new CD in the US. Either you guys have been misinformed, or you must be talking about how many copies your band has sold. I know Brutal Bands has sold 14 copies of your new CD, and many copies of your other two releases.

For all of you that are having a hard time finding this and other sick releases - check out www.brutalbands.net - don't feel as though the only place you can shop online is through Relapse or some other over-priced label that doesn't stock underground releases.

I personally disagree with pirating CDs - obviously a label would not agree with this. I know for sure that one of our releases was pirated even before we pressed it!

yea, i recommend yee Brutalbands e-store. tiss great.

scum

03-08-2005, 07:36 PM

Brutal Bands

03-08-2005, 07:39 PM

We are having more Stabwound shirts made this Spring.

scum

03-08-2005, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Brutal Bands
We are having more Stabwound shirts made this Spring.

sweet :)

Trauma

03-09-2005, 06:37 AM

I must say that i discovered Goratory while downloading on some sharewarez.
I immediately bought OID and Sexual Intercorpse (hard to find).
I've dl RoS but bought it as soon as possible. I can't imagine have a great cd just in mp3, without its cover etc..

But i'm an old fan ah ah, i havze a job and can afford to pay the cd.
By my side, i know 4 or 5 fans who have bought RoS here ;)

Come in France!!

goratory

03-09-2005, 10:48 PM

thanks Crispy, glad you dig it. Do you like my ANAL AL picture in the booklet?

Pantala Naga Pampa

03-10-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by goratory
thanks Crispy, glad you dig it. Do you like my ANAL AL picture in the booklet?

I think your drummer's picture was my fav of the bunch.

ArrowHead

03-10-2005, 02:24 PM

I got sick of waiting for it, so I also downloaded ROS. As soon as it was done though, I bought a copy.

I download everything. I don't buy cd's in stores, and I don't order online. I download cd's and hear hundreds of good and not so good bands every month.

However, if I go to a show, or I play a show, and there's a band I like, I buy the CD. Even if I already HAVE it. I LIKE handing money right to a band. You're paying for gas, or food, or a place to shower. You're not paying for some label dickhead to send his daughter to college while the band scrapes by on shit.

Also, at shows, many bands will offer to give me CD's free, or trade them. I usually prefer to buy it, (although a discount is nice). The guys from Blast Perfection and Locked in a Vacancy seemed to think it was weird that I bought CD's after they had already given some to our bassist free.

As far as albums getting downloaded before release? Ha. I did a search the other day on a DC hub. I found dozens of users who had every Goratory and Virulence album shared. However, not a single user had the full Pillory CD, just the two downloadable mp3's we've made available. We haven't given out a single copy of the album, only 3 song promo's. A three song promo is Definately more than enough to send to labels and zines, and we can sell them at shows to stir interest in the new album.

vilemortis

03-12-2005, 06:44 AM

Caught you guys at Fuck The Commerce last year - you guys were by far the best band there. I was getting down to the shit off Orgasm as it was the only release I had the time...soon bought the two others as well as a sexy FTC limited edition hoody ;)

Rock on guys, still trying to get local promoters to get you over to the UK!

Brutal Bands

03-14-2005, 07:42 PM

I would recommend that bands and labels only give out promos prior to the release date to reputable magazines. These are typically your larger known printed magazines that have some sort of retail distribution. This will give you some reviews prior to the release date from known magazines, and at the same time, still protect you (for the most part) from internet piracy. Then after the release is out, you can give promos to the underground web zines. Just an idea...

HeReTiK

03-18-2005, 06:22 PM

I never buy CDs, i use that money to go see that band live when they come to town and to purchase some merch.

Reincremation

03-19-2005, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by goratory
ya, i as well like to purchase directly off bands on tour. The only problem is that we don't tour as much as we should. I'm hoping the Euro tour goes good. If it does, we will be heading out on the road alot more.

You guys should try to land an opening slot on a big US DM tour. That would probably get you a lot of new fans.

t_rex

03-19-2005, 08:11 PM

goratory

03-31-2005, 09:53 PM

ya, at first i was a little upset about the downloading thing but i have been relizing that most of our fans found out about us through downloading. Whether we sell cds or not, i would rather have people like us and not buy the cd instead of never hearing us at all. And your right, these poeple will most likely come out and support us at shows. SO, i'm starting to dig the whole downloading situation after all. Oh ya, thanks for buying our shirts, we apreciate the support man.

goratory

03-31-2005, 10:00 PM

well, we get the cds for free from our label. we get 600 for every 3000 pressed. So since we aren't paying anything for them we get straight profit, where as with the shirts we have to pay $5.50 each for em and only sell them for $10 at shows.

Jack

04-26-2005, 08:08 AM

i got rice on suede from unique leader last week. fuckin brilliant.

Surt

04-26-2005, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Brutal Bands
We are having more Stabwound shirts made this Spring.

eeexcellent...

I thought I'd look ridiculous wearing one of them girly tops :D

Originally posted by goratory
ya, at first i was a little upset about the downloading thing but i have been relizing that most of our fans found out about us through downloading. Whether we sell cds or not, i would rather have people like us and not buy the cd instead of never hearing us at all. And your right, these poeple will most likely come out and support us at shows. SO, i'm starting to dig the whole downloading situation after all. Oh ya, thanks for buying our shirts, we apreciate the support man.

I heard about you guys being fucked over by people listening to the band then not buying the album just downloading it, so I purposely didn't download it (not that I would have known where from) and bought it instead... hence why I only have OID atm.

EDIT: Goddamnit... i only just realised Brutal Bands sell albums by bands not on their label as well.... :rolleyes:
They're the same price as where I usually get extreme shit from (ie UBR) so methinks I could well start getting them from there instead.