Drumming Discussion

[Goratory Drummer]

What's up guys? This is Darren from Goratory. I just wanted to make a general thread about drumming. If you're interested in booking me for studio work, or want lessons, or if u just want to discuss drumming in general. Who u like or dislike and why. Questions or comments on techniques or styles, leave em. And of course we hope everything likes Rice on Suede as much as we do. Let me know!!

Darren

[Crucified Coma]

I don't play, but...

<3 Flo Mounier <3

[goratory]

I have no drum knowledge so I can't make any comments really but flo is really fun to watch though. I want to find someone that has a copy online of his drum solo from montreal to show you.

[Crucified Coma]

Originally posted by Goratory Drummer
I mean, he's good at some stuff, just really not into his sloppy fast blast technique. It's never totally accurate and the volume of it goes up and down and sometimes disappears. it's fast and all, but i just figured by now he'd have found something different.
I was reading some interview with Lord Worm about the new CD, he was talking about how Flo found some new way to double his speed.

[Crucified Coma]

Oh, and the guy from DEP is awesome too.

[Nihilist]

I don't know shit about drums either, but Jarda Haž from Alienation Mental. :eek: :eek:

[Goratory Drummer]

Originally posted by Trauma
YYYeaaaahhhhh Man!
Who knows Alienation Mental??

I've seen them live for Ball Spouter and FUCK, this man is a real monster. I'm waiting for the next one which must be out soon!!!
Tony Laureano is very sick too.
Someone knows Kai Hato from Rotten Sound? This guy is great too.

And finally a little question. The drummer of my band wants to trig his drumkit in order to record. Anybody know some very cool brutal death souding (and quite cheap) modules?
I've heard of Alesis D4 or DM5
Thanks



Well, i say go with the industry standard, the Alesis DM5. I use one live and so do many other death metal drummers out there. There are of course many nicer, better sounding more expensive ones out there, but the DM5 is a work horse. I don't know if i'd use the samples in the studio from the DM5, Alittle too fake for my tastes, but live, it's great. Also, i'd use that along with Ddrum triggers. They are quite expensive, but worth the cash. If u have any other questions about triggering, let me know. And yeah, Tony Laureano is sick, one of my favorites.

[TBhound95]

Toma Corn from Lykathea Aflame is :eek:

[RICE510]

Hey Darren! - Congrats on some of the most creative blast beat oriented drumming I've heard in a loooonnnng time! - I was already talking about it in another thread, But yeah, I would definitely be interested in hiring you for some session work. Time flies so fucking quickly though... Thought I'd have this album i'm writing ready to go a year ago... But to be honest with myself... None of this will be ready for roughly another year and a half/ 2 years. If all things work out, hopefully we'll be talking then....

In the mean time, could you tell me... Do you have the facilities at home (or home town) to record your parts to a click track (with guitars)... on pro tools, or digital performer, or any like program???

Just to participate in the thread about favorite drummers a bit...

Steve Gadd, Alex Marquez, John Longstreth, Alex Hernandez, and Patrick Robert (gorguts obscura) have all been favorite drummers. Steve Gadd isn't a metal drummer, but he's still amazing, I've never heard anybody sound both so precise, and somehow so human at the same time... and when he goes off... if you haven't check out the song "night sprite" by chick Corea. I know the name 'John Longstreth' has become a bit of a punchline lately... but Origin's debut, to me, still stands as a monumental achievement in somehow taking blast heavy drumming and destroying it's own monotony, with a nearly melodic sense of improvosational theatrics. Alex Marquez, nearly forgotten, had an awesome sense of matching his drumming to what was going on in the song. Patrick Robert's performance on Obscura is a MONSTER of death metal/fusion drumming... and Alex Hernandez has some of my favorite theatrical drumming in DM. - of course some credit should go to the relatively sloppy Craig SomethingOwitz... who kind of laid down that Immolation sound. Anyways, those are just a few of the past drummers I've really admired.

[Goratory Drummer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RICE510

In the mean time, could you tell me... Do you have the facilities at home (or home town) to record your parts to a click track (with guitars)... on pro tools, or digital performer, or any like program???


Thanks for the compliment. I've always prided myself on taking drums in a melodic sense even with stuff as brutal as Goratory. I'm really not into constant beats that are all the same. It just kinda makes everything seem monotous. That's why i always program all my drum parts before i learn them. To make sure they help the song and go good with the riffs.
As far as recording, i definitly could do the drums in my rehearsal studio. I'd probably have to get a friend of mine to engineer it for me, since i can't do it all myself if i'm gonna be drumming. Someone has to hit the record button. I personally do all my recording on Sonar and my friend uses Pro tools.
But yeah, what we'd do is u send me guitar recorded to a click, then i'd program drum parts, and if you like them i'd record them to that same click. Then you'd just re record guitars over them. But yeah, 1.5 years is a long way off. If u know anyone else looking for session work let me know and keep me posted with your project.

Thanks

[Trauma]

Originally posted by Goratory Drummer
I don't know if i'd use the samples in the studio from the DM5, Alittle too fake for my tastes, but live, it's great. Also, i'd use that along with Ddrum triggers. They are quite expensive, but worth the cash. If u have any other questions about triggering, let me know. And yeah, Tony Laureano is sick, one of my favorites.

Thanks a lot! What kind of samples do you use in studio? if it's not too indiscreet.
The Clavia DDrum seems to be the best one but the most expensive too (and my drummer is spending all his money in alcool). I believe he'll be very happy with the DM5, he'll forget the bad sound we always have on our demos.

Don' forget Sean Reinert if we talk about death metal drummers in a large way.
and i believe that Terry Bozzio is one of the best all-music-talking :)
And Tim Yeung is a real missile.

[Cloaca]

Zabek Zabek Zabek

[Cloaca]

Zabek Zabek Zabek

[Trauma]

Zabek?? Zabek??

Yeah, of course Zabek. The guy who can transform a good song into a crazy one

[Goratory Drummer]

Originally posted by Trauma
Zabek?? Zabek??

Yeah, of course Zabek. The guy who can transform a good song into a crazy one


Who is Zabek. What bands has he done, what kind of stuff does he play?

[EchoesOfDecimation]

He`s from the polish band The Yattering.

[Goratory Drummer]

Originally posted by EchoesOfDecimation
He`s from the polish band The Yattering.


Well, the only Yattering CD i have is Murder's Concept, i like it. Do u suggest any others of their's? I'd prefer stuff that is brutal like the first half of Murder's Concept. I notice that the last few songs sound different, like they are from another recording. But i definitly like the first few songs.
Hey, we have a show tommorrow night, time to show all the other drummers up, again. it's funny we're playing with Porphyria again, who are really cool guys and a good band. But when we played with them i talked to their drummer for a couple minutes after the show, he said after watching me play, i made him look like a chump. I thought it was funny. i don't do it on purpose, i just go in and do my job :)

[goratory]

toms a fucking nasty guitarist. Its gonna be cool to play with them again

[ArrowHead]

The drummer from Pillory is pretty sick. One of the few drummer's in metal that can blast better than Darren.

Ken Shalk from Candiria is one of my favorite drummers. Technical, but really hooky.

Also, I'd have to mention Thomas Haake from meshuggah. I've always liked his sound. The stuff on "I" is incredible.

For faster stuff, I've always been blown away by Flo Mournier. It's not even so much his technique, he's just so fucking relentless. Slow parts, melodic parts, he just cranks throught them without slowing down.

Glen Houghton has always scored pretty big points with me as well.

[RICE510]

Fuck - Forget Thomas Haake... It's all about the guy who did the drumming for special defects, Morgan Agren.

not only does he drum circles around all the polyrhythmic shit Haake took years to develope - but Morgan takes it further, adds his own fluid controlled entropic free form shit in there... amazing.

[ArrowHead]

Originally posted by RICE510

not only does he drum circles around all the polyrhythmic shit Haake took years to develope -

Sorry, you lost me there. Could you give me an example of a song where Thomas Haake plays a polyrythm? I've heard the occasional polymeter, but I don't think I've ever heard a polyrythm in his drumming.

[RICE510]

well, maybe you've caught me in a somantic error... But from how I understood it - meshuggah is all about poly rhythms? (poly rhythms being multiple layered rhythms - Poly = multiple)meshuggah themselves even state that polyrhythms are the centerpiece of what they do in a number of interviews.

And somantically... as I understand it a meter is how many counts, and of what, per measure... the "time signature." So being only one aspect of the complete rhythmic situation, which would also include tempo, accents, swing, syncopation, ... wouldn't a meter fall under the umbrella parentage of the greater generized term "rhythm" anyways?

If for example the snare and kick are playing a standard 4/4 syncopation and the hat is playing in something even as simple as 6/4 over that - being rhythms in different meters would mean that they are also different "rhythms" by default.... "polyrhythms."

That's how I understood it... If I have it wrong... I'm all ears...

[ArrowHead]

There's Polyrythms and Polymeters. The two, language-wise, are almost the same, which is why I've always preferred the term Poly-TEMPO to Poly-Rythm.

A polymeter is when two meters are played against each other, for instance when the guitarists in meshuggah play in 5/4, and the drums play in 4/4. It's pretty common, and there are a lot of polymeters in Meshuggah. It's very often mistaken for polyrythm. A polymeter will usually resolve mathematically. I.E. - if there's 5/4 over 4/4, it will take 20 quarter notes (5 x 4) to resolve, so in 4/4 it would resolve over the course of 5 measures.

A polyrythm is when a different meter is played within another meter (I'm not awesome at explaining these things, so bear with me). For instance, a polyrythm of 7:3 is seven beats (or a septuplet) played in the duration of three. There are not any distinct polyrythms in Meshuggah's music that I can think of offhand. There's a few incomplete polyrythms, where they cycle it by adding an off beat, but usually a polyrythm is prime and recycles within a phrase or measure.

The few polyrythms I CAN think of in Meshuggah's music are established by the guitars or the vox, not Haake's drumming.

[ArrowHead]

I took the time to create a couple examples, since I'm not the best at explaining polymetrics.

This first beat is 5/4 over 4/4, or a poly-METER. It's a 4/4 beat for 5 measures on the kick and hi-hat, with a 5/4 ryhthm on the snare. I put the snare on beats 2,3,4, and 5 and left out one so you could easily distinguish where the two rythms recycle and resolve themselves at the end of the fifth measure.

http://www.masscore.com/junk/54.wav

[edit: - I was looping the beat when I recorded it, so I left out the fifth measure..lol. The rythm would resolve on the fifth measure if I hadn't deleted it, the fourth quarter on the hi-hat in the 4th measure would be beat one in the 5/4 part, then four more quarters on the snare and hi-hat in measure 5 = resolution. I'm sure you know what I mean, I just don't feel like re-creating the whole thing to add one measure]

This second rythm is the exact same beat on the kick and hi-hat in 4/4. The snare is again doing beats of 5 (but I left beat one in this example). This is a 5:4 polyrythm, as the snare is playing 5 beats in the same space that the hi-hat is playing 4. Notice how the polyrythm resolves at the end of the measure everytime - listen to the difference between the snare and hi-hat.

http://www.masscore.com/junk/54poly.wav

[goratory]

HOLY SHIT, what can i say, i guesse you take your polyrythems quite seriously, hahahaha. Damn good explanation though. I never knew that was called a poly-meter, i also thought they were all called polyrythems.

[mammalsauce]

Originally posted by ArrowHead
The drummer from Pillory is pretty sick. One of the few drummer's in metal that can blast better than Darren.



I'm not sure if that was a joke but Darren is the drummer of Pillory too. Just to clear things up in case of some kind of confusion, and if you weren't confused sorry...

[ArrowHead]

Originally posted by mammalsauce
I'm not sure if that was a joke but Darren is the drummer of Pillory too. Just to clear things up in case of some kind of confusion, and if you weren't confused sorry...

No way, the drummer of Pillory is waaay better than Darren.

[Adrenal]

although it's simple mercedes lander's style of drumming is great

[Goratory Drummer]

Who the heck is that?

[porphyria]

Originally posted by Goratory Drummer
Yo mutherfucka

Yeah, that night was fun shit. I heard about all the drama that happened after we left, but i definitly think Porphyria and Goratory owned.
As far as the costume, sorry, it was no brainer. I didn't have to dress up, and i knew no one else would have the same costume. I'm just fucking around, but yeah i always gotta say something to get everyone goin. If i ever disappoint on the drums though, just let me know, and i'll retire the costume.

Peace

yeah man, my friends new guitarist got headbutted by the soundguy for NO reason. I whitnessed the entire thing. Of course we pwn3d! :cool: we need to play more shows together.

you should have dressed up as the drummer of AC/DC instead.

[RICE510]

arrowhead - crazy man - I'm kinda confused, but hey - thanks for correcting me, I see what you mean.

[ArrowHead]

Don't worry about it, I've been into polyrythms for a long time and I still haven't quite figured it all out yet - even after a lesson with Darren.

[BornSoVile]

darren next time i see you i'm gonna shove a atreyu cd up your ass and then we'll have a drumming discussion face to face. : p
i understand you are listening to some black metal these days, anything good?

[Goratory Drummer]

Originally posted by BornSoVile
darren next time i see you i'm gonna shove a atreyu cd up your ass and then we'll have a drumming discussion face to face. : p
i understand you are listening to some black metal these days, anything good?

Atreyu, hahaha

[analredwing]

Will triggering work on anything???Ex: could I hit a piece of wood and have it sound like a snare???

[Modulus]

D- your drumming kicks ass.

As far as Meshugga and Polyrhythms, it's pretty much mixed meter. But the riff at the end of Sane is quite complex. It's a 9 (on the china) against 4 dotted quarter notes (played as 16thTriplet kick snare rhythms--making a group of 9's per dotted quarter)
This beat is close enough to call it a polyrhythm(which actually means multiple rhythms)

[Adrenal]

Originally posted by Goratory Drummer
Who the heck is that?

drummer from kitte, was into their early stuff b4 got into death metal and grindcore

[Modulus]

Originally posted by Adrenal
although it's simple mercedes lander's style of drumming is great
Too bad that she sucks. I've heard from many drummer friends and students that she is really weak, has bad timing in concert etc...
The recording studio can do wonders for novices.

[analredwing]

kittie-the female version of sepultura

[Goaters]

Originally posted by analredwing
kittie-the female version of sepultura
kittie are poo. they are like the pre-pack-edged metal band for all the "rebal teen goth girls"
but their new guitarest, the blong one is hot !:p

[Adrenal]

there's a norwich band called these bloody hands, the drummer from that band is amazing

[Goratory Drummer]

Kittie rules, haha

But i found some theads about me on Derekroddy.com Go and post comments or just check em out. Just do a search in the forum for Goratory. Spread the sickness

[Modulus]

Hey,

Check out my drum video live with my band!
http://www.modulusmusic.net/vids/ChemicalDrumCam.mov
\m/:p

[Axis]

hey darren,

what pedal are you using?
I like your drumming very much because it's high technically.
do you remember the girl from the fuck the commerce and the other guys? haha :)
damn, i could not visit it...
the best festival would be goratory whit saprogenic and dyscrasia.
however, you are fucking good drummer.
keep healthy and show us other videos of your drumming.
i think i'm going to record a little video of me playing but it's not so good as yours.
i play only for 5 years...
ok, greez from germany

[sideslash]

Originally posted by AIDS Muppet
The drummer from Virulence is better than both of those guys.

wrong? :(

[EchoesOfDecimation]

Darren is the drummer for Pillory.

[Cloaca]

Originally posted by Goratory Drummer
[B]Well, the only Yattering CD i have is Murder's Concept, i like it. Do u suggest any others of their's? I'd prefer stuff that is brutal like the first half of Murder's Concept. I notice that the last few songs sound different, like they are from another recording. But i definitly like the first few songs.

Anyone who wants to have their opinions changed on what good drumming is should buy the Yattering DVD 'Creative Chaos: The Art of the 20th Century'. Ihave loads of drum clips, like all that derek roddy stuff etc, and this is as good as I've ever seen. Zabek barely even looks like he's trying most of the time, he never slows down. He's got a full jazz drumming background so the technique on display is ridiculous. Hmm... fuck it, right after I post this, I'm gonna watch it.

Also, I agree with Rice510, as good as Tomas Haake is, Morgen Agren is better.

Oh yeah, Darren, I suggest all their CD's. Keep up the crazy work man, you rule!

[goratory]

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH, just got this. its amazing.

[AIDS Muppet]

Originally posted by BornSoVile
hey darren, have you heard the new necrophagist?? you two have similar styles.

What??????

I don't even know where to start with this.

[Fifteen]

Ah who cares about the technical and speedy side of drumming.
A shitty drummer is the one who's style just doesn't fit to the music.
The most important thing for drummer is to have fun playing to the music he likes.

Heh maybe that's why I can't get a guitarist for myself because I dislike what the guys in this damn poor country play. Damnit I cannot afford a single good cymbal cause everything costs here 2x more than in US and the wages are 8x lower than in US.

It sure suxx to be a student in here :P

[Jaar_Gilon]

Yo Darren, on that drum take for A.I.D.S at the start you do a single handed drum roll, got any tips for doin this? speeding up hand whilst keeping a consistant drum volume.
cheers for you help

[scum]

Originally posted by Reincremation
what are rudiments?



stuff like rolls, flams etc

[goratory]

Originally posted by AIDS Muppet
hahahahaha

Yeah, maybe find one that didn't put out a top 10 death metal album last year. Find one that doesn't have some of the most original death metal songwriting I have heard in years.

thanks man, thats well appreciated

[goratory]

Originally posted by necrodreamopeth
Well the playing of these guys are good its just the vocals ruin it. necrophagist is also good. i do like em. Hey moderator, I am sorry for getting you all pissed, i was just making some statements and asking questions and stuff

ya, but i'm allowed to be a dick on my own forum.

[Reincremation]

I agree, Rice on Suede was clearly in the top 5 last year.

[NOZARMI]

I'd just like to point out the fact this assclown has the word "Opeth" in his handle.

Says everything really.

-Smellsign.

[Nasty Ronnie]

Originally posted by NOZARMI
I'd just like to point out the fact this assclown has the word "Opeth" in his handle.

Says everything really.

-Smellsign.


I agree 100%

[necrodreamopeth]

I guess there is a reason people follow this band. They just like shitty noise coming from mouths and some insane death metal songwriting. And to say Opeth isnt good, try making all the songs screaming singing and doing some insane softer shit. All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Massachussets and find those Goratory fucks who are making that shitty music, we're gonna make 'em eat our shit, then shit out our shit, then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made 'em eat. Then all you motherfucks are next!

[AIDS Muppet]

Man, isn't the internet great? It's the only place where you can make anonymous threats, but don't actually need the balls required to back them up. Unfortunately for you, you aren't so anonymous. I checked your MySpace page which you gladly lead us to in your profile and between the two skinny fucks and the fatass, you have enough power to topple one grown man. Good job.

[Soloman]

hide behind a computah you fokin emo faggot!! Come up to me at a show. I'll kick you in the foking face!!

[Goratory Drummer]

Yeah Tom you tell em.

[necrodreamopeth]

I want the lyrics to AIDS. I can understand all of lyrics except for the part at the end where he does gorilla shit like
oo ahh ahh ooo ahh rawr rawr rawr. sick vocals dude!!!!!!!!

[emperadorXXIV]

Drummers eh?

favourite --> Conny Pettersson (Anata),

Pete Scandoval (MA), 'Gary' (the Berzerker), Dave Culross (Suffocation), Martin (Opeth), both of Nile's drummers, Paul (CC), Hellhammer and Joey from Slipknot. (hey fuck you, the guy is good!)

etc.

[emperadorXXIV]

Oops, forgot Igor Cavalera.

[Cloaca]

oops, looks like you forgot Zabek too ;)

[s.Reinert]

I mean, he's good at some stuff, just really not into his sloppy fast blast technique. It's never totally accurate and the volume of it goes up and down and sometimes disappears. it's fast and all, but i just figured by now he'd have found something different.
WOW never too accurate, sloppy huh? wow i cant even waste my time on explaining how retarded this postis, so ill end it with wow your drumming says it all fukn idiot.

[cagedbychrist]

WOW never too accurate, sloppy huh? wow i cant even waste my time on explaining how retarded this postis, so ill end it with wow your drumming says it all fukn idiot.

more comments from the skinny emo faggot. (that is, if thats you in your avatar pic, homo) cute bracelet. darren cesca is a fucking badass drummer, and goratory is fucking sick as hell. When I listened to Rice on Suede I was just floored. I must own their entire disco now.

[crispykid88]

darrens statement is so true. flo doesnt seem to do anything that great to me. he has no control it seems and he doesnt hit hard. you can call darren a fuckin idiot but he shits on flo so its all good.


heres what he means by volume check it out here (http://www.flomounier.com/videos/FloMounierDrumSolohigh.html)

[cagedbychrist]

eh the cymbal part in the beginning is kinda gay but that part at the very end, looks like someone hit fast foward

[Cloaca]

Flo's a fucking madman.
Darren is too.

End of story.

[Antæos]

Do I feel a battle to the death coming on? Oh shit!

[analredwing]

darrens statement is so true. flo doesnt seem to do anything that great to me. he has no control it seems and he doesnt hit hard. you can call darren a fuckin idiot but he shits on flo so its all good.
WTF Flo is one of the godfathers of what darren and most drummers do in DM these day.

[Reincremation]

WOW never too accurate, sloppy huh? wow i cant even waste my time on explaining how retarded this postis, so ill end it with wow your drumming says it all fukn idiot.


i think it's a little dumb that you picked out "s. Reinert" as your name for these boards...that would be a little like me calling myself "chuck schuldiner."

[s.Reinert]

i think it's a little dumb that you picked out "s. Reinert" as your name for these boards...that would be a little like me calling myself "chuck schuldiner."

im surprised you know who he is, but thats not the point. caged shut the fuck up low and behold its you talking shit again about what you dont know.
more comments from the skinny emo faggot. (that is, if thats you in your avatar pic, homo) cute bracelet. darren cesca is a fucking badass drummer, and goratory is fucking sick as hell. When I listened to Rice on Suede I was just floored. I must own their entire disco now thats shagrath, not me, the worst and stupidest shit i read and hear is people confuse what they like and what is actually good. mounier sandoval and trym are excellent examples of excellent drummer's theres just no talking shit about them. What darren wrote is idioticaly wrong. you like the band good for you no one gives a fuck dont go saying theyre good cuz you like them. end of story. p.s. im gonna skull fuck you caged

[analredwing]

p.s. im gonna skull fuck you caged
Now thats something only a TRU metal head would write :emot-danc

[Cloaca]

[QUOTE=s.Reinert]im surprised you know who he is

What? Most people on these boards would know who Sean Reinert is.

[Transient]

reinert the drummer rules, reinert the poster is a troll

end of discussion!

[s.Reinert]

Max Kolesne = my favorite drummer.
LMAo i like this guy he doesnt care to argue just wants to say his favorite drummer. hahah

[crispykid88]

dude you need to chill out cause your really getting to be a pain in the ass around here go on another board and be a jackass. i dont like to try and use any kind of power cause im a MOD but if you keep it up you'll get banned from here and i think everyone else wouldnt mind seeing you go.

[s.Reinert]

you really think i give a shit? This drummer your defending made some retarded comments and im stating the obvious which you are to dumb to see for yourself that hes wrong. i dont give a fukn shit about this band i dont even know how i got here i just know i read some of the first posts on this thread. WHat is the video supposed to show me about volume? do u need to turn up your fukn volume or what? or perhaps you mean the dynamics of music do u know what that is dipshit?
He can control it so much more then other drummers and he shows it. Fukn moron's striking arguments about things you dont know
In the words of Cavalera "Why criticise what you dont understand". Go fuck your self and while your at it go fuk darren or darryl what ever his name is maybe you can fuck the brains back into him and his band.

[crispykid88]

you are the dumbest person ive seen on these forums ever. the video shows how flo cant keep his hitting volume high and it varies. you are an ignorant bastard if you dont like the forum go the fuck away and do us all the favor.

[Cloaca]

While unlike Crispy I'm most definately a Flo fan and find the "inconsistency/dynamics" a sweet part of his style, he's right: You are seriously fucking dumb s reinert. You just owned yourself badly with that "don't criticise what you don't understand" comment. You're telling Darren to he's a fucking idiot/go get some brains etc etc. HAHAHAHAH. You just crapped on this band and you haven't even heard them. Take a listen to "Rice On Suede" and eat your fucking words. Darren is definately one of the best DM drummers around. In terms of skill, few compare.

I gotta admit, your post was so fucking stupid it cracked me up, particularly with the last sentence. Well done.

[crispykid88]

hahaha me too dude! i was really stoned when i read that and i almost pissed myself at the stupidity of him. he never heard goratory and hes bashing them. pretty lame.

[Cloaca]

First of all, where in my post am I comparing Darren to Flo? All I said was that I love Flo's style (he'd be in my top 3 favourite drummers probably), and that Darren is one of the best drummers in DM. I never said that Darren is better than Flo, or vice versa. Way to read the post.

Darren ain't your standard "Dime a dozen" drummer. He's capable of more than just insane speed. To me he sounds sort of like what would happen if Mike Mangini joined a brutal DM band (I think I read somewhere that Mangini taught him? could be wrong about that though), he's maybe not quite as polyrhythmic in his style as Mangini, but he's got some wacked rhythms and timing shit going on in his drumming, it's not as obvious as in Flo's style though. When I heard Darren's drumming, I thought "ok this guy is reeeaally good", but as time went on and I listened more, I realised he's more than just really good. You probably heard one Goratory track one time, and had made your mind up before the track even started playing. Grow up and don't be such a ridiculous fanboy unless it's to do with Gorguts.

Oh, and state what mp3 you heard, I wouldn't be surprised if you listened to a track off OID, which Darren didn't drum on. You'd be silly enough to do that I bet.

[t_rex]

Please goto the Cryptopsy forum and suck Flo's dick there s.Reinert.

[analredwing]

oh my gawd, like i was really hurt when i found out that goratory's drummer doesent like flo's style, it disapointed me, i am in disaray, everyone knows travis barker is the best drummer on earth, i own his custom cymbal bag

[crispykid88]

thats awesome dude i paid 25 bucks for his signature sticks!!!!!

[analredwing]

lets morph the bag and sticks together, and maybe we can summon travis to show darren and flo whats up with drumming

[crispykid88]

that would be thebest thing ever

[Cloaca]

He is fucking great at making drums that match the riffs really well.

[glitch]

hey darren.

ive never actualy seen you play or anything since im in maine and all, but ive got a few mp3s and ive gotta say youve got a wicked smooth hyperblast, i was really impressed when i first heard it. i am a flo mouriner fan, but i thought yours was a hell of a lot louder/smoother. not that i think hes sloppy (i dont understand where this comes from. have you ever seen him solo live? when i did the volume was fine and he didnt seem sloppy at all.)

i wanted to ask about your background, i hear a lot of pretty interesting shit going on in the mp3s that i do have. were you trained at all? do you play any other genres such as jazz/funk/pop etc? do you study these at all, or are you just a straight up death metal guy? i try to learn everything i can, so i can encorperate it into other genres. ive taken lessons for the last 3 years, and ive been playing for seven. i find that jazz/funk can be a big help in any metal genres. i started keeping this mentality when i saw my teacher, who is also a school music teacher/country/jazz gigging guy, whip out a fucking hyperblast like ive never seen before in my life. i mean hes played for like 30 years but the guy practices to opeth and dream theater and dimmu borgir and shit like that, and acts like its nothing.

how about personal influances? as a drummer mine are Neil peart(rush) joey jordison (anal blast shit is pretty nuts) tim alexander(Primus/blue man group).


what do you use for petals? im a fan of pearl eliminators, or axis petals.

[crispykid88]

check out www.halfmanhalfmachine.net darren has a page on there. also darren doesnt come on the forum anymore. i know that he was taught from mike mangini and he uses pearl eliminator pedals with straps instead of chains.

[glitch]

ah cool. i figured id actualy get a drum discussion started instead of a bunch of fags fighting over if flo is cool or not.

any idea why he uses a strap instead?

[glitch]

ah cool. i figured id actualy get a drum discussion started instead of a bunch of fags fighting over if flo is cool or not.

any idea why he uses a strap instead?

[crispykid88]

better response