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Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 12:43 PM

Can you scuntbags help me out here? i need to know if i can get a good sound using just a DI BOX into the soundcard to record stuff using Guitar Modeling softwares.

Do I need a pre amp? is DI BOX a pre amp?

Cheap/good DI BOX/PRE AMP possibilities?

don't come with that Fractal thing. shits costs R$6.000.00 reais

the V-amp might be good too like Chaapy said but, its still a bit pricey here.

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 01:10 PM

what do you go by again? the brazilian real?

you can get the VAMP for about $100 here, but I'm guessing that's a little over $200 for you. I would think a DI box is going to be around the same price.

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:15 PM

no, its 1.000.00 reais (vamp)

there are some DI BOX brands that are really cheap but the question remains, what to get? whats a good di box?

is the DI BOX a preamp?

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 01:20 PM

1.000.00?

forgive me, but what does that mean in US dollars? please tell me that's not $1,000

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:28 PM

nope. its 650$

answer my question fag

i'm telling you, my currency is fucked up

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 01:30 PM

A DI box won't help you get a better sound from amp sim software. All a DI box does is connect the electrical impedance from an unbalanced line level signal (-10dBv or +4dbV), to a balanced mic level signal.

A preamp is a device meant to add or subtract gain to/from any signal. There is a (digitally controlled) preamp stage in your current soundcard (the audiophile 192). A better soundcard/preamp will only give you a cleaner signal, and a different "colour" to the signal (usually defined by warm, or cold/sterile).

Guitar Rig or Amplitube aren't going to improve vastly anytime soon, so you're going to need a hardware device to get a better tone. Either a physical amplifier, or a hardware simulator (V-Amp, Axe-Fx, etc.).

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 01:31 PM

SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY FUCKING DOLLARS!!!?????

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:32 PM

So there's no way to make guitar rig sound clean?

I'm gonna get that v-amp them. tomorrow. fuck it

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 01:35 PM

Ok, so, 100 USD is currently 227 Reai. Just buy the V-Amp from an American seller, and along with shipping you'll still probably only be paying 350-400 reai.

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 01:37 PM

So there's no way to make guitar rig sound clean?

I think you used the wrong word here, even if the signal is clean (free of noise, hiss and distortion) Guitar Rig will still sound thin and processed, and basically, shitty. The difference between GR and the amp modelling in the V-Amp, is that the V-Amp has an analog stage for the signal to be processed through. So, that adds some beef and warmth to it. The difference between the V-Amp, and the Axe-Fx, is the Fractal device has VERY high quality analog and digital components, and very elaborate and in depth effects and tone controls. So yeah...

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:37 PM

is the v-amp 2 good as well?

edit: Ouro, i can't get anything more than 50$ shipped from the US. i'm fucked

but fuck it lol

thank you man, i already know everything i need. you fucking rule

sideslash

01-09-2009, 01:38 PM

is the v-amp 2 good as well?

that's typically what most people are referring to when they say v-amp nowadays.

http://www.wolfstudios.net/images/products/detail/Beh_vamp2.jpg

it's a very light unit, too.. i can't imagine shipping it to brazwhoreland would be too expensive.

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 01:40 PM

is the v-amp 2 good as well?

that's the one you want I think, not the pro. the only difference between the pro and the regular are the XLR outputs, among other minor things that don't really matter.

get this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-V-Amp-2-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-101707057-i1145387.gc?source=4WWRWXGB

EDIT: fuck you, sideslash

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 01:42 PM

is the v-amp 2 good as well?

edit: Ouro, i can't get anything more than 50$ shipped from the US. i'm fucked

but fuck it lol

thank you man, i already know everything i need. you fucking rule

Get someone in the US to buy it, and ship it to you after you pay them through PayPal. How will anyone know you paid more than $50 for it?

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:43 PM

XLR output goes in the XLR input of the soundcard, right, wrong?

then just plug the cord in the input on the v-amp?

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:44 PM

Get someone in the US to buy it, and ship it to you after you pay them through PayPal. How will anyone know you paid more than $50 for it?customs here... anything above 50 i need to pay 60% of the original value.

Stupefaction

01-09-2009, 01:50 PM

^ Well that's fucking stupid.

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:53 PM

no shit.

i don't mess with this stuff man. better paying much more than end up with anything.

Nun Stampede!

01-09-2009, 01:54 PM

Thats the gayest thing I have ever heard. Thats like saying "I don't want anyone in my country to be able to afford to make music."

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 01:54 PM

Yeah? Even if someone claims the value as being $50USD, do you still risk getting it confiscated?

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:56 PM

of course. they aren't dumb

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 01:57 PM

XLR output goes in the XLR input of the soundcard, right, wrong?

then just plug the cord in the input on the v-amp?

if the input of the soundcard is an XLR input, then yes. if the input in your s/c is a 1/4 inch (think guitar cable), then your cable needs to have an XLR on one end (either male - prongs stick out, or female - no prongs) and a 1/4 inch on the other.

but yeah, guitar -> vamp -> soundcard

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 01:59 PM

yeah man, my audiophile has XLR's.

i knew someday i would use those haha

ignorant scunt is ignorant

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 02:00 PM

then that's the one I would use because the signal is balanced.

but if you're getting the VAMP2, you're not going to have the XLR option, that's only on the VAMP Pro.

you'll need a cable that has a 1/4 inch on one end, and an XLR on the other if your s/c input in an XLR input.

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:04 PM

Make sure the 1/4" end of the cable is TRS, not TS.

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:05 PM

Fuck. thanks man need to buy the damn cable too

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:06 PM

Make sure the 1/4" end of the cable is TRS, not TS.TRS is with the two black straps, right? or is it the TS?

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:06 PM

fuck how much is the v-amp pro

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 02:07 PM

Fuck. thanks man need to buy the damn cable too

Planet Waves is the way to go. Buy it once, lifetime warranty.

fuck how much is the v-amp pro

I paid $160 flat for my VAMP Pro.

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:09 PM

link me to the cable i need chaapy can you that maaan

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:10 PM

If you can solder, you can buy bulk Mogami cable, and two Neutrik connectors and make your own cable. Just as fucking reliable as a PW unless you're a complete fucktard with the soldering iron.

You'll probably end up paying the same, but bulk XLR cable can be used for 1/4" and 1/8" too, it's just a matter of using the ground or not.

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:14 PM

ok bro, i'll search for v-amp pro tomorrow. if chaapy be a kind joto and link me to the cable i'll get v-amp 2 and the XLR cord.

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 02:16 PM

link me to the cable i need chaapy can you that maaan

well what version of the vamp are you getting? is the only input on your soundcard an XLR input?

if you're getting the VAMP 2, you need something like this:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MSLCMX3/

but with only ONE ring around the tip. the link I posted is a stereo cable (2 rings), avoid that.

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:17 PM

http://www.zzounds.com/item--CBIAN424

Even better, you don't need any extra cable, just the adapter. Unless you don't have any XLR cable either...

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:18 PM

my s/c has the 1/4 input, i just want balanced signal

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

but with only ONE ring around the tip. the link I posted is a stereo cable (2 rings), avoid that.

Yeah, right. Is the output of the V-Amp 2 mono, then?

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Unless you don't have any XLR cable either...

that's what I was assuming, haha.

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Yeah, right. Is the output of the V-Amp 2 mono, then?

good question. I don't have the V-amp 2.

EDIT: ah, I'm thinking of the cable you use to connect your guitar to the VAMP, that is what needs to be a mono cable.

Rottenatomy

01-09-2009, 02:21 PM

http://www.zzounds.com/item--CBIAN424

Even better, you don't need any extra cable, just the adapter. Unless you don't have any XLR cable either...oh thats good. but i need the mono adapter then?
edit: confused as fuck

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:23 PM

Nun Stampede!

01-09-2009, 02:47 PM

This thread confused me as well haha.

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:55 PM

Rino:

Guitar to V-Amp -> 1/4" unbalanced TS (regular guitar cable)
V-Amp to Audiophile 192 -> 1/4" balanced TRS (both ends)

No adapter or XLR cable needed. Just make sure you're using a balanced cable to go from V-Amp to the 192.

;)

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 02:58 PM

/thread

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:58 PM

I think the confusion came from ChAAPY and I bantering about the cables, use a TRS, even though it can carry a stereo signal, the important thing is that it is balanced (shielded and grounded) so that the signal remains at the same level. ChAAPs was right in saying to never use a balanced cable from your guitar to any device.

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 02:58 PM

Now...

/thread

;)

ChAAPY

01-09-2009, 03:00 PM

Ouroboros

01-09-2009, 03:20 PM

customs here... anything above 50 i need to pay 60% of the original value.

Whoa whoa, I just re-read this. So, if you order it from the US at $100, then in total, you'll be paying $160 after it goes through customs (not including shipping though). Way cheaper than getting it domestically.