View Full Version : i just realized im still kind of pissy about White Walls
god damnit jason
02-27-2008, 06:20 PM
that song is almost a literal flawless song.
they have that amazing buildup that leads to a....rehashed alaska breakdown.
fucking kills my boner every time i hear it.
i wish they would have
A. thought up some amazing creative and new chuggy chug that hasnt ever been heard before.
or
B. gone straight gangsta and used an oldschool breakdown from one of their first two albums.
that honestly would have been shit a HOLY FUCK moment that it probably would have blown shit out of my asshole had they added a throwback like that to the song.
can you imagine that??? that huge buildup and then out of nowhere comes the fucking breakdown from Shevanel only intensified by 100%??? i would have destroyed a litter of puppies with my bare hands to that song and not felt bad about it.
just had to get that off my chest.
move along now.
Shawn
02-27-2008, 06:24 PM
are you talking about the
WHIIIITTEE WAALLLLLLSSSSS
breakdown?
IMO they climaxed that buildup perfectly with that.
Incendius
02-27-2008, 06:34 PM
there's no need to jump in and say anything here, but i thought i should defend the conceptual nature of this part in the album. the rhythm is an obvious variation on the build up before it, which which has the same groove in 13 that happens around the 1:55 mark earlier in the song, and the build up itself is a variation on the rhythm during the 7/8 unision section of ants of the sky around the 2:45 mark. the "breakdown" in white walls is a variation of all this but put in 4/4 and leads back the 5/4 - 4/4 ascending run section; which is a variation of the end of sun of nothing. the whole end of white walls is a big coming together of the whole record....the solo section is the same em cmaj amin progression that verdian ends with, is in the middle of white walls building up to the 'this is all we have' part, and the key change at the end of the solo section are the same chords found in ants of the sky at the 6:05 mark. so the whole last 4 minutes of white walls are about bringing back themes with different variations or direct quotes, and that breakdown plays a part in it.. so we didnt just give up and throw that in there. it has a purpose.
Enough said
worldcapsized
02-27-2008, 06:39 PM
get over it
god damnit jason
02-27-2008, 06:47 PM
Enough said
thats kind of awesome.
thanks for posting that.
after rereading it a few times it really changes my opinions on things.
damn. i hate not being able to bitch about things.
Shawn
02-27-2008, 06:48 PM
how do you spell "owned?"
god damnit jason
02-27-2008, 06:49 PM
how do you spell "owned?"
with a P.
Shawn
02-27-2008, 06:57 PM
ooohhhhhh in that case
Ownedp.
god damnit jason
02-27-2008, 07:03 PM
ooohhhhhh in that case
Ownedp.
i was owned so hard spelling takes a backseat to my humiliation
tOol6485
02-27-2008, 07:04 PM
That is my favorite track, especially the WHIIIIIIIIIITE WALLSSSSSSSS part, lol, and the guitar work towards the end.
dactylSAUR
02-27-2008, 08:39 PM
that whiiiiiite waaaaaalllsss part reminds me of the end of autodidact
(takes cover)
prayer
02-27-2008, 08:52 PM
that whiiiiiite waaaaaalllsss part reminds me of the end of autodidact
(takes cover)
The only time I have ever agreed with, ever.
But being reminded of Autodidact is not a bad thing, by any means.
god damnit jason
02-27-2008, 08:56 PM
that whiiiiiite waaaaaalllsss part reminds me of the end of autodidact
(takes cover)
thats pretty much what i was talking about.
phish
02-27-2008, 10:03 PM
thats because autodidact is a fucking jam
Lynch
02-28-2008, 12:39 AM
breakdown wise there was a long ass post about this shit already that made me not hate it as much. breakdown aside, this is my least favorite song on the album still. just really doesnt interest me at all compared to the other songs for some reason. highly overrated IMO
god damnit jason
02-28-2008, 12:54 AM
breakdown wise there was a long ass post about this shit already that made me not hate it as much. breakdown aside, this is my least favorite song on the album still. just really doesnt interest me at all compared to the other songs for some reason. highly overrated IMO
weaksauce.
it pisses me off that some parts of that song are so technical but the solo isnt even hard to play and just flashy if anything, they really let me down with that one
teh Mazn
02-28-2008, 01:44 PM
the thing dan and obviously no one else realizes is, it doesn't fucking matter where the riffs came from or what it has to do with the song. we get it. it's got some similar themes to some others in the album. that doesn't matter though when the riffs being played STILL sound unoriginal and regurgitated. i was IMMEDIATELY reminded of autodidact when i heard it. if that's the best "concept" they could come up with to conclude such an epic album, then they're either lying and trying to rationalize a hurried-up generic breakdown at the end of a song, or they really do just write random riffs and paste them all together to make songs. i don't buy it and i was very dissappointed with that breakdown. in fact, if you edit out that breakdown the song sounds MUCH more concise, without the faggot breakdown cheese-factor.
/opinionatedrant
if we're talkin about cheese factor i think the flashy solo and the piano ending are alot cheesier than a breakdown that i thought was actually decent actually decent
ive always liked the way the breakdown fits into the song, it takes everything back down to ground level after the more chaotic riffing before it so the song can gradually build up towards the end
god damnit jason
02-29-2008, 01:52 AM
if we're talkin about cheese factor i think the flashy solo and the piano ending are alot cheesier than a breakdown that i thought was actually decent actually decent
ive always liked the way the breakdown fits into the song, it takes everything back down to ground level after the more chaotic riffing before it so the song can gradually build up towards the end
just didnt sound "epic" enough for me.
that was seriously one of the best buildups ive ever heard on a cd and i was expecting something...grander in its place.
i love the fucking solo/piano ending though. thats probably my favorite part of the song and i get it stuck in my head constantly.
i love the solo/piano ending too
but i think if youre going to make an entire song build up to a guitar solo it could be more than only a few seconds long,which let me down. and those are some of the simplest sweeps i've ever seen which let me down also, despite that i still think white walls is close to a perfect song
and i JUST realized how the piano fits into the rest of the album so i guess its not to cheesy to me anymore
Sudden Intoxication
02-29-2008, 01:58 AM
What IS cheese?
:cool:
ibz_rg
02-29-2008, 01:20 PM
weaksauce.
:emot-LOL:
Cambridge_works
03-04-2008, 10:59 AM
Ummm
So I guess you have never heard of the reoccurring themes in all of their albums?
White Walls should have ended with a long heavy slowed down epic solo with a huge build up. similar to the ending comfotably numb solo
prayer
03-06-2008, 03:04 PM
How about White Walls is fucking fine, and stop having unreachable expectations for BTBAM, as if they haven't proven that they are one of the best bands in the genre, and they are one of the only bands in the genre that have tons of respect outside the genre, and crossover fans.
unrelated but I have no idea why btbam is considered metalcore, or labelled as such.
ever since the first album I have always considered them mostly technical death metal with some other genre experimenting thrown in. But metalcore? no.
B. gone straight gangsta and used an oldschool breakdown from one of their first two albums.
that honestly would have been shit a HOLY FUCK moment that it probably would have blown shit out of my asshole had they added a throwback like that to the song.
can you imagine that??? that huge buildup and then out of nowhere comes the fucking breakdown from Shevanel only intensified by 100%??? i would have destroyed a litter of puppies with my bare hands to that song and not felt bad about it.
just had to get that off my chest.
move along now.
there are riffs from lost perfection in prequel (near the end after the dual vocal match) prequel is lyrically the forerunner to lp.
Shawn
03-06-2008, 04:00 PM
I think its because for a lot of people (myself included) its hard to take an American band in their early 20s as a serious death metal band. Plus, they've never come out and tried to claim to be death metal, which has both helped and hurt their cause. If they had, you can be damn sure they'd have just as many people despising them for it as people who despise JFAC for the same thing.
Besides, Self Titled isn't metalcore, but other than a few parts, it certainly isn't death metal IMO. TSC Maybe. Alaska, definitely not. Colors, sure as fuck not.
MustangMan311
03-06-2008, 04:28 PM
unrelated but I have no idea why btbam is considered metalcore, or labelled as such.
ever since the first album I have always considered them mostly technical death metal with some other genre experimenting thrown in. But metalcore? no.
there are riffs from lost perfection in prequel (near the end after the dual vocal match) prequel is lyrically the forerunner to lp.
Camilla Rhodes is mentioned in White Walls, too, I think.
unrelated but I have no idea why btbam is considered metalcore, or labelled as such.
ever since the first album I have always considered them mostly technical death metal with some other genre experimenting thrown in. But metalcore? no.
i'd consider them progressive metal over anything, even the pre-colors material was more progressive than anything else. theyre just hard to put into a genre since they mix so many genres together
and as for white walls
its basically a 10 minute build up to a guitar solo, the theory in that alone makes it a good song
teh Mazn
03-07-2008, 01:12 AM
I think its because for a lot of people (myself included) its hard to take an American band in their early 20s as a serious death metal band. Plus, they've never come out and tried to claim to be death metal, which has both helped and hurt their cause. If they had, you can be damn sure they'd have just as many people despising them for it as people who despise JFAC for the same thing.
Besides, Self Titled isn't metalcore, but other than a few parts, it certainly isn't death metal IMO. TSC Maybe. Alaska, definitely not. Colors, sure as fuck not.
TSC metalcore? wtf...deathcore if anything. metalcore? nah.
Nun Stampede!
03-07-2008, 01:14 AM
...BTBAM is far for Death Metal, guys. It might not be easy to classify, but it sure as hell isn't death metal.
maybe experimental/progressive hardcore/metalcore... certainly not death metal or deathcore.
teh Mazn
03-07-2008, 01:40 AM
i always thought shit like atreyu and from autumn to ashes was metalcore. amirong?
i always thought shit like atreyu and from autumn to ashes was metalcore. amirong?
screamo/hardcore
bands like all that remains and killswitch engage are metalcore
teh Mazn
03-07-2008, 02:00 AM
maybe my genre guessing is WAY off, but FATA screamo and hardcore? screamo for me = the used and hardcore = shai hulud.
to me hardcore is agressive music more punk driven with hints of thrash crossover and more impassioned less stylized voks.
I dunno... I think a lot of TSC is gets pretty grindy, but songs such as roboturner is straight up tech death unless I am completely ignorant. do not get me wrong, I know it is not cryptopsy in terms of speed and overarching ambiance ,and ultimately its genre commitment) but the elements in a roboturner... lost perfection... autodidact... what we have become (ie, the riffing, the blast beats) are legit for dm in my book.
Colors lacks most of that... it appears here and there, like the teched up shit after the break down in prequel. But that is more grindy... ah who cares
devikit
03-07-2008, 08:26 AM
white walls is a fucking cool song.
prayer
03-07-2008, 09:37 AM
BTBAM spans genres, and they aren't pigeon-holed to one sector of metal. On one song they can be like a kinda tech-metalcorish, then on the next song it can be like a proggy jazzy death-metalish thing going on.
Bands that even raise the debate about where they fit in genre-wise are usually the better ones.
Mad props to BTBAM, and White Wawls!
What part from Lost Perfection is in Prequel?
What part from Lost Perfection is in Prequel?
about 0:6 to 0:9 seconds for anablephobia (it repeats) and 7:34 ta 7:40 of prequel. Not identical but very alike in theme.
Cambridge_works
03-07-2008, 10:32 PM
You know what I just noticed that is really ironic.
When you read the lyrics fro White Walls. They say something on the lines that people look for past greatness, but you wont find it. We are furthering what we believe is right music. And you Jason, just shit all over it. I dunno I lol'd a little, but its cool. I like you, but I miss your old sig.
Logan
03-08-2008, 02:43 AM
when i talk about btbam to people who don't know them i usually describe them as progressive metalcore. yes there is a lot of death metal influence but they aren't a death metal band imo. i dunno i just see all of their stuff as very progressive (colors obviously lol, but songs like selkies, ad a dglgmut and shevanel...as examples from each album) are all very progressive too imo. i dunno just my two cents.
btbam71
03-08-2008, 07:02 PM
It's safe to say that BTBAM ranges from metalcore to progressive to death metal to fucking jazz at some parts.
They don't have one particular genre, hell they should be considered experimental, too.
(IMO)
My Arms Your Hearse
03-09-2008, 05:06 PM
I think everyone tries to create a genre name for every band in existence. Instead of saying Atreyu is metalcore, for example, someone would say "I'd say they are more power metal/80's metal with influences of hardcore and pop" or some bullshit. I'm not saying all bands should be lumped together, but it gets ridiculous sometimes.
like i've said, btbam are a prog metal band. always have been
Mayhem After Death
03-10-2008, 10:49 PM
How about White Walls is fucking fine, and stop having unreachable expectations for BTBAM, as if they haven't proven that they are one of the best bands in the genre, and they are one of the only bands in the genre that have tons of respect outside the genre, and crossover fans.
ty.
xShrEDgex
03-11-2008, 08:40 PM
maybe my genre guessing is WAY off, but FATA screamo and hardcore? screamo for me = the used and hardcore = shai hulud.
ehhhh i dunno all about shai hulud as being the posterboy for Hardcore.. There are hundreds of better examples. Like Outbreak, Ceremony, Have Heart, Bracewar, Down to Nothing, old Earth Crisis, Blacklisted, American Nightmare, Champion... yeah
Mayhem After Death
03-11-2008, 09:54 PM
shredge, you have the greatest avatar, hands down. i dream about the days of PS1.
Shawn
03-11-2008, 11:09 PM
TSC metalcore? wtf...deathcore if anything. metalcore? nah.
I worded that kinda poorly. I wasn't saying TSC was maybe metalcore, I was saying it was maybe death metal.
xShrEDgex
03-13-2008, 01:01 AM
shredge, you have the greatest avatar, hands down. i dream about the days of PS1.
haha yeah dude, ill occasionally pop in jet moto or something and its ridiculous how bad it looks. but its still so fun
Mayhem After Death
03-13-2008, 06:49 AM
That's it. I'm gonna pop in Gex: Enter The Gecko and go throught that acid-like fantasy all over again.
gex was an odd game for me to get into when i was 10 years old, spyro the dragon was amazing though
damn i gotta find my ps1 now
btbam71
03-13-2008, 08:50 PM
My PS1's broke!
:(
god damnit jason
03-13-2008, 09:28 PM
You know what I just noticed that is really ironic.
When you read the lyrics fro White Walls. They say something on the lines that people look for past greatness, but you wont find it. We are furthering what we believe is right music. And you Jason, just shit all over it. I dunno I lol'd a little, but its cool. I like you, but I miss your old sig.
:(
yeah, i miss it too, but im going through a fierce The Proposition obsession. go rent it. it kicks ass.
amazing cast and its written by Nick Cave.
Mayhem After Death
03-13-2008, 10:45 PM
My PS1's broke!
:(
you could use a ps2.
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