Polyrhythms in Guitar Pro

[ChAAPY]

how the hell do you do them in GP? I've got a guitar playing in 7/8 and I want the bass and drums to be in 4/4. maybe I'm thinking of a polymeter though, not too sure.

[ChAAPY]

nevermind I figured it out I think. since you can't have different time signatures playing in GP you have to work your way around it. 7/16 does the trick.

[Brisket]

Well, heres something random I just made of a 7/8 riff with drums playing 4/4.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=AE93C1CD12F5778F

That's how I usually do it.

[BZM]

Yep, exactly.

[ten_second_infinity]

Well, heres something random I just made of a 7/8 riff with drums playing 4/4.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=AE93C1CD12F5778F

That's how I usually do it.

Word.

[ChAAPY]

Well, heres something random I just made of a 7/8 riff with drums playing 4/4.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=AE93C1CD12F5778F

That's how I usually do it.

cool, that's exactly what I did too. I realized I didn't have to make it 7/16 after I typed it cause it can work in 7/8.

[Djeez]

how the hell do you do them in GP? I've got a guitar playing in 7/8 and I want the bass and drums to be in 4/4. maybe I'm thinking of a polymeter though, not too sure.

Yep it's a polymeter.You can do polyrhtym without problems in GP, but for some polymeter it's just impossible.I tried tabbing Imogen's Puzzle part 1 one day, but failed because of that.

[ChAAPY]

Yep it's a polymeter.You can do polyrhtym without problems in GP, but for some polymeter it's just impossible.I tried tabbing Imogen's Puzzle part 1 one day, but failed because of that.

so then what is a polyrhythm and how do you do one in GP? I always thought polymeters were polyrhythms... guess I had them backwards... this shit gets confusing sometimes. I look at both as just "multiple rhythms" to keep it simple, haha.

[telephonemoose]

meshuggah ftw!

[ChAAPY]

meshuggah ftw!

the masters of polyrhythms in metal. Zappa, Yes, Tool, King Crimson and Rush have some crazy ones too.

[Djeez]

so then what is a polyrhythm and how do you do one in GP? I always thought polymeters were polyrhythms... guess I had them backwards... this shit gets confusing sometimes. I look at both as just "multiple rhythms" to keep it simple, haha.

Polyrhytm is simply notes out of rhytm.Like a triplet.

Simple example, 95% of Muhammed's solo on Epitaph are in polyrhytm since it's almost always 8th triplets at 240 bpm.

Polymeter = clash of the time signatures.

[ChAAPY]

Polyrhytm is simply notes out of rhytm.Like a triplet.

Simple example, 95% of Muhammed's solo on Epitaph are in polyrhytm since it's almost always 8th triplets at 240 bpm.

Polymeter = clash of the time signatures.

ah ok. so if I have a guitar playing straight 8th notes in 7/8, and the drums are playing 8th note triplets in 4/4, I have a polyrhythm and a polymeter at the same time right?

[telephonemoose]

the masters of polyrhythms in metal. Zappa, Yes, Tool, King Crimson and Rush have some crazy ones too.
theres actually a classical/contemporary composer steve reich that does a lot of this shit. it makes chamber orchestras sooo epic

[stabwound]

how the hell do you do them in GP? I've got a guitar playing in 7/8 and I want the bass and drums to be in 4/4. maybe I'm thinking of a polymeter though, not too sure.

It is polymeter. A polyrhythm is 2 or more independent rhythms. Polymeter is 2 or more independent meters. Like if you evenly space 5 notes over 2 notes it would be a polyrhythm.

[stabwound]

This article is VERY helpful.

http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/tempomental.html

[Djeez]

A polyrhythm is 2 or more independent rhythms

What do you think a triplet is?Of course it's a boring example, but he was right.It's not just a polymeter.

[stabwound]

What do you think a triplet is?Of course it's a boring example, but he was right.It's not just a polymeter.

Huh? I realize a triplet is a polyrhythm (3 beats in the space of one), but he was saying something about 7/8 over 4/4, which is polymeter.

Edit: oh, are you saying that a polymeter is a type of polyrhythm?

[Djeez]

Huh? I realize a triplet is a polyrhythm (3 beats in the space of one), but he was saying something about 7/8 over 4/4, which is polymeter.

Edit: oh, are you saying that a polymeter is a type of polyrhythm?

No, I was just saying that there was indeed a polymeter AND a polyrhytm in his example.

[Abu Monaar]

^ Do half divisions count as polyrhythms? I dont think so. 7/8 on 4/4 is just a polymeasure isnt it? because you can count normally say in 4/4 and still keep track of both beats because the 7/8 just goes twice as fast as the 4/4. Obviously they wont be back in phase until a few bars though. Isnt polyrhythm somthing where the bottom number of the time sig of one track is not a half or double multiple of the other? say 4/5 over 4/4.

[stabwound]

^ Do half divisions count as polyrhythms? I dont think so. 7/8 on 4/4 is just a polymeasure isnt it? because you can count normally say in 4/4 and still keep track of both beats because the 7/8 just goes twice as fast as the 4/4. Obviously they wont be back in phase until a few bars though. Isnt polyrhythm somthing where the bottom number of the time sig of one track is not a half or double multiple of the other? say 4/5 over 4/4.

I'm definitely not a master of polyrhythms in any way, but I'll explain it the way I know it. The time signature has nothing to do with it unless you're talking about polymeter. This explains it pretty well:

"A polyrhythm is just what it says. Two rhythms, or "feels", happening at the same time. Most people reading this have a good understanding of the basic triplet. This, in essence, is a polyrhythm. It's three 8th notes being played against two 8th notes. Some more basic examples follow..." - steve vai

So an eighth note triplet would be a 3:2, some other examples would be 5:2, 7:3, 5:4, 2:3, 3:4. For the 5:2 you would subdivide the notes so that 2 can go in evenly to 5 and you will see that the second beat will land on the upbeat of the third eighth. Like this:

http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/images/tm_tempo05.gif

http://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/tempomental.html that site explains everything. It's pretty difficult stuff that I still find very hard to understand.

[Abu Monaar]

yes but if you were to write out this for example:

4/4: 888 888 888 888
Where each 888 is a eight note triplet cluster, the whole thing adding up to 4/4.

You could also think of it as a signature of 12/4(1/3) because you have 12 triplet notes in the bar. And because the bottom number 4(1/3) is not a half (or douple or quadruple and so on...) mltiple of the orignal reference pulse of 4/4 you are playing a poly rhythm.

Now going back to the pior discussion of 4/4 against 7/8, you can see that though the metric lenghts differ, namely 7 and 4. the actual pulse lenghts 4 and 8 are half multiples of each other. and therefore not polyrhythms.

Yes yes?

Edit: ugh i got a bit confused with the numbers i hope i laid it out reasonably.

[Djeez]

yes but if you were to write out this for example:

4/4: 888 888 888 888
Where each 888 is a eight note triplet cluster, the whole thing adding up to 4/4.

You could also think of it as a signature of 12/4(1/3) because you have 12 triplet notes in the bar. And because the bottom number 4(1/3) is not a half (or douple or quadruple and so on...) mltiple of the orignal reference pulse of 4/4 you are playing a poly rhythm.

Now going back to the pior discussion of 4/4 against 7/8, you can see that though the metric lenghts differ, namely 7 and 4. the actual pulse lenghts 4 and 8 are half multiples of each other. and therefore not polyrhythms.

Yes yes?

Edit: ugh i got a bit confused with the numbers i hope i laid it out reasonably.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense for the sole reason that the lower number (the note value) is ALWAYS a multiple of 4...1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128...you can't have a 4/5 time signature, because 5 isn't even a note (well I gues you could but that would be ridiculous and over-the-top...and I'm pretty sure nobody ever done this.For tiny differences in the time sig I think 16th and 32th are doing the job just fine).

The polymeter doesn't really take place in the lower number.It's all about the beats per measure.The higher number.7/8 against 9/8 is a polymeter even if they're both in 8ths.The 7/8 measure will start again while the 9/8 will have to continue for 2 other 8ths, and that's where the poly comes in.

[Abu Monaar]

Again. I said you could think of 12 8th note triplets in 4/4
as 12/4(1/3). Obviously no ones going to write a song in that signature but they are equivalent. The point was that it is only these pulse lenghts that do not fall under 1,2,4,8 etc that are considered polyRHYTHMS. 8th note riffing over 4/4 drum beat is not a polyrhythm.

[ChAAPY]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm

check out the examples at the bottom. this really made it easier for me to understand.

[stabwound]

Again. I said you could think of 12 8th note triplets in 4/4
as 12/4(1/3). Obviously no ones going to write a song in that signature but they are equivalent. The point was that it is only these pulse lenghts that do not fall under 1,2,4,8 etc that are considered polyRHYTHMS. 8th note riffing over 4/4 drum beat is not a polyrhythm.

I think what you're saying is that playing 8th notes in 12/8 is the same thing as playing triplets in 4/4, because 12/8 is compound quadruple meter and the pulse is a dotted quarter?

[telephonemoose]

they are different. thats like saying 6/8 is the same as 3/4 because they reduce into each other. n00best shit ever

[stabwound]

they are different. thats like saying 6/8 is the same as 3/4 because they reduce into each other. n00best shit ever

It's a compound meter. It's not the same thing but it feels the same. The "pulse" is a dotted quarter, so it feels like there are 4 beats per measure.

[Abu Monaar]

Fuck i know what polyrhtythms and polymeasures are, aparently i just cant explain them properlyyyy. end of discussion for my part :emot-fail