Stickey? Drum Thread

[Wakeness]

Talk about drums, cunts.

I run a pearl ELX kit with
double 22X18 kickers
3 rack toms (12, 13, 14)
one floor tom (16)
and an 11" Pearl firecracker snare.
I have a mix of cymbals, but I preffer sabian.

2 X D-Drum pro shot triggers with an Alesis DM5, and sometimes I run the snare mic through an Alesis 3630 compressor, but not lately. I think I blew the main fuses or something, and haven't had time to trouble shoot it.

[ten_second_infinity]

Do you use a Hi-Hat now? And are those kick drums the purple ones you posted about a while ago?

[mikeb]

I have a shitty old westbury kit from the early nineties... its not the greatest but it definitly gets the job done, especially considering i got it for free from my brother in law. I bought some cheap ass gibraltor double pedal, which i find is actually better than a lot of the higher end kickers ive tried out.. hogde podge of cymbals, but like my pal wakeness here, i definitly prefer sabian.. oh and 5a sticks are generally the way to go, imo.
http://www.freewebs.com/animusgp/100_2445.jpg

[InertialGrind]

My drummer needs new pedals. He wants axis longboards. Whats the cheapest way to get some ?:emot-blin

[INCINERATE]

My drummer needs new pedals. He wants axis longboards. Whats the cheapest way to get some ?:emot-blin

I think directly from Axis, but I believe that way, they are built to order, so you end up waiting like months for them. And the amount you save is very little.

[Wakeness]

Do you use a Hi-Hat now? And are those kick drums the purple ones you posted about a while ago?

Yes and yes. the whole kit is a purple to black fade.
Also, I used Axis Longboards. Forgot to mention that.

[Wakeness]

My drummer needs new pedals. He wants axis longboards. Whats the cheapest way to get some ?:emot-blin

Used off Ebay. Seriously.
New is best, though, directly from Axis. They have the BEST customer service I've experienced.

[metzgored]

I´m playing drums for pretty exactly 2 years now. I can´t decide whether to buy an axis or iron cobra double. If I bought the iron cobra, I could afford the equipment to trigger my bass drum.
What do you guys think?
axis or iron cobra + trigger?

[mikeb]

Id go with the tama and triggers... but thats just me. the only axis ive ever played was lousy. pretty sure it was set up awful.

[ten_second_infinity]

iron cobra + trigger

[F0RBIDDEN]

Axis are definitely great pedals, but the best drummers can play just as well on any set of pedals... Me personally, I would go for Pearl Eliminators... Even Roddy says those are the only pedals he really likes other than his Axis!

[Shred The Ganja]

I´m playing drums for pretty exactly 2 years now. I can´t decide whether to buy an axis or iron cobra double. If I bought the iron cobra, I could afford the equipment to trigger my bass drum.
What do you guys think?
axis or iron cobra + trigger?

I would go with AXIS with no triggers. Those AXIS pedals are so fast and unique that i don't think any pedal really compares. And unless you plan on playing at like 260 bmp or something, i wouldnt look into triggering your set. Guys like roddy are moving away from using triggers, and like hannes grossman on the necrophagist album didn't use triggers at all and it sounds fantastic and most of those songs hang around 230bmp.

And since you've only been playing for 2 years i would just try and learn to play fast without triggers. If you become good at playing fast with no triggers.....you will get much more respect, and in my opinion you will develop much better foot interdependence and control. You will in the end become much more musical without the use of triigers in my opinion.

[ten_second_infinity]

In my experience lots of drummer need the triggers so they can "hear" their feet when they're going so fast, (230+) Most people I know that are drummer can't play without triggers because they don't know if they're hitting the notes exactly on time. "Well, you should be able to tell if you're hitting them or not" True, but at faster speeds it becomes harder and harder to tell if you're hitting them exactly on time if you can't even hear your feet because you're jamming with a guitar player and a bass player.

also in my experience triggering didn't make every note (no matter how soft) sound the same volume-wise, it just amplifies each hit, so if you hit it soft it still will not be as loud as if you hit it with all your force. especially live, triggers help.

[ChAAPY]

In my experience lots of drummer need the triggers so they can "hear" their feet when they're going so fast, (230+) Most people I know that are drummer can't play without triggers because they don't know if they're hitting the notes exactly on time. "Well, you should be able to tell if you're hitting them or not" True, but at faster speeds it becomes harder and harder to tell if you're hitting them exactly on time if you can't even hear your feet because you're jamming with a guitar player and a bass player.

also in my experience triggering didn't make every note (no matter how soft) sound the same volume-wise, it just amplifies each hit, so if you hit it soft it still will not be as loud as if you hit it with all your force. especially live, triggers help.

haha, that sounds like John. dude ALWAYS had to have his triggers running fucking LOUD through his PA when we would practice. and if he didn't hear them, he'd get really pissed off and frustrated.

but I would think you really don't need to hear them though. you should be able to "feel" yourself locking in those 16ths. that's how it is for me on guitar, I can literally feel myself locking them in and when I'm "floating", I can feel it too. I don't need an amp to hear myself in order to know if I'm doing it right and I would think the same goes for a drummer... guess not?

[ten_second_infinity]

Yeah, I was mainly talking about Lyle, but John is the same way. If they can't hear the triggers then they get frustrated. I don't know, I guess it's different when you're trying to play double pedal that fast (230+) and if they can't hear it, I guess they can't tell if they're "floating" or actually locking in with the 16ths. I guess that's why people play to metronomes or a click track, and why like Forbidden said, most tremolo on recordings isn't "perfect 16ths" or whatever when they're trying to play fast.

[ChAAPY]

yeah "perfect 16ths" is pretty much bullshit almost. I doubt some people out there can nail it "perfect" everytime at speeds around 250-270. As long as it sounds good and get's the emotion across (in this case, agression or energy) then who care's? I use to be super picky about it and I was really picky about downpicking certain things too... now I just don't give a fuck. If it sounds good then I'm down.

[InertialGrind]

Kollias has the fastest locked in 16ths i`ve ever heard. My drummer has eliminators but theyre old and falling apart. Nigga needs trigger mod and some longboards. Money money....

[embryonicdrums]

Axis longboards. nuff said.
Yeah a good drummer should be able to play on any pedal, but why not use the tools available? Axis pedals are so precise, and the adjustability is so touchy, that you can literally set up your pedals specifically for you. I find that other drummers can't play on my pedals as well as I can, because they are set up for my playing. I tried Trick pedals at the NAMM show this year, awesome features and stuff, but too heavy and cumbersome. The footboard is like a half inch thick, which is totally pointless. Billet aluminum is strong shit, there's no need for it to be that thick. Lighter means faster, which is better.
I use an old Alesis D4. It's 16 years old and still works fine. I like the kick sounds in there better than the DM5. But I think I'm gonna splurge and get a TD20 pretty soon. Some pretty killer sounds on there, and excellent adjustability.
You can get your trigger to be loud, even when you're playing soft, by turning up the value curve. The faster you play, generally the softer your hits are. But when playing live, you still want the kicks to sound powerful out in the crowd. The tradeoff is, it becomes much less forgiving at that point. You also need to turn down the gain a bit to avoid crosstalk and double triggering. Muffling the kick drums also helps.
I'm currently using the old style Roland triggers, but I'm gonna upgrade to the newer version. I like the Rolands better than the Ddrums, because the wires are all exposed on the Ddrum triggers. I had a ddrum trigger whose wires came loose from the sensor just from connecting and removing it a few times. The roland triggers have all the fragile stuff pretty much protected by the metal casing. Kinda nice. I've dropped my Roland triggers, smacked them around, stepped on them, etc, and they still work fine. Can't do that with a Ddrum.
Gonna get a new kit as well pretty soon...I have a Pearl Elx kit, 6 piece with 2 kicks. Mahogany I believe. And like 12 cymbals. My buddy ordered a $10,000 DW kit, and is selling his maple shell Pacific. It's really nice. Gonna get a sick DW rack along with the shells. Looking forward to it.

[blooddrunk]

Axis longboards FTW fucking awesome pedals just got me some i would get some dw beaters wasn't digging the axis ones...

[MadMike666]

Axis, without a doubt. And get the eKit triggers....so much easier to deal with than any other trigger out there. No need for adjusting sensitivity, etc. They trigger off the pedal, not the head.

I am lucky enough to play Derek Roddy's old blue Sonor kit:

http://metalasylum.com/misc/house/DSC_0041.JPG

along with a mix of Sabian, Bosphorous, and Istanbul Agop cymbals.

[MadMike666]

In my experience lots of drummer need the triggers so they can "hear" their feet when they're going so fast, (230+) Most people I know that are drummer can't play without triggers because they don't know if they're hitting the notes exactly on time. "Well, you should be able to tell if you're hitting them or not" True, but at faster speeds it becomes harder and harder to tell if you're hitting them exactly on time if you can't even hear your feet because you're jamming with a guitar player and a bass player.

Playing with triggers will definately make your feet alot tighter. Without triggers, you don't realize how much play you have. But triggers are unforgiving, and you get tighter when you use them. It basically forces you to play tighter or sound shitty. Micced drums allow for looser play, definately.

[Defleshuary]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/Defleshuary/Drumset.jpg
Older pic, but you get the idea.
5 piece Tama Rockstar Custom
Avedis Zildjian cymbals.
Tama Iron Cobra double pedal.

[Death_]

the fact that you guys are talking about needing triggers to hear your selves is completley bullshit to me. hit the drums pussies. you can feel as well as hear if your on time if youre a half decent drummer.

[ten_second_infinity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwr5004b4Dw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2joRDZcAqio

Look at those videos and tell me he's not a "half decent drummer," you fucking faggot. Get back to the BTBAM board if you're just going to talk shit.

[MadMike666]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwr5004b4Dw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2joRDZcAqio

Look at those videos and tell me he's not a "half decent drummer," you fucking faggot. Get back to the BTBAM board if you're just going to talk shit.

Precisely. I've said this countless times, drummers who insist everyone live in the past are only holding back drummers. You never see a deathmetal guitarist rag on another deathmetal guitarist for playing an electric guitar, and not just playing the hell out of an acoustic. It's stupid. Nobody but nobody can play at 255 bpm 16ths with the feet and get the same definition micced as they can triggerred. There isn't a serious drummer out there that will tell you that's possible. It just tends to sound ill defined and muddy, no matter how tight you are. That's due to the resonance of the actual drum, and the head, etc. Not to mention, the faster you go, the less hard you can hit. There are human physics involved.

[BlackSun]

Well, you might be considered a pussy for using them, but you'll at-least have enough energy to party and fuck chicks after a show. I don't know. The more people seem to love them and use them, the more inspired I am to just push it and be human. That'll get you recognized.

[gurrmuff]

Fuck it all. IF YOU WANT TO USE TRIGGERS, NONE OF US ARE HOLDING YOU BACK. But I would prefer the Axis's, as I am also gona get some when I manage to get the money together...the cheapest I can find em is around 500-470$

[motherfuck]

Go with trick pro 1-v's haha expensive but the SHIT!