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god damnit jason
08-18-2007, 11:42 PM
ill start.

the first three "songs" just sound like they were thrown in there as appetizers for the rest of the cd.

songs are too long. even though they are decent songs i would rather see them play 4 or 5 songs from previous albums than just two from this one live.

9:50 in white walls. lamest most uninspired excuse of a breakdown btbam has ever written. sounds like it was left on the floor from some alaska demo, and it should have stayed there.

all imo of course.

Brogen
08-18-2007, 11:43 PM
i disagree with all of that.

imo of course.

god damnit jason
08-18-2007, 11:44 PM
i disagree with all of that.

imo of course.


im not expecting many people to agree with me haha. except for that last thing.
that breakdown is fucking crap.

MustangMan311
08-18-2007, 11:44 PM
i disagree with all of that.

imo of course.
except for the part about the first three songs.
i dig them, but they do seem left out.

Pwnsauce
08-18-2007, 11:46 PM
I don't mind the breakdown but I think it would have been cooler to build up to some crazy guitar lead/keyboard unison thing.

Savior
08-18-2007, 11:47 PM
I originally said "the songs are too long" but then Sean pointed something out to me, and it makes more sense. Listen to it like you would Crimson or Crimson II by Edge of Sanity. Like one big song.

DillingerEscapePlan
08-18-2007, 11:49 PM
Ants of the Sky at 12:12. If I wanted to listen to Dragonforce I'd hang myself, not listen to Colors.

I would disagree with the first song, great intro imo.

Savior
08-18-2007, 11:51 PM
Honestly, I found it surprising, especially since I haven't actually been able to enjoy a metal record in a long time, the positives of this record really outweigh the negatives. Of course there's going to be something here and there that I don't like, but for the most part this album is enjoyable.

Brogen
08-18-2007, 11:55 PM
Honestly, I found it surprising, especially since I haven't actually been able to enjoy a metal record in a long time, the positives of this record really outweigh the negatives. Of course there's going to be something here and there that I don't like, but for the most part this album is enjoyable.

:D

saviorrr. ive missed you. cause im gay like that. im surprised you like it so much. :)

god damnit jason
08-18-2007, 11:55 PM
I originally said "the songs are too long" but then Sean pointed something out to me, and it makes more sense. Listen to it like you would Crimson or Crimson II by Edge of Sanity. Like one big song.

i do like how the songs flow. Im a nerdy bitch so it really makes me feel like its some sort of journey/epic adventure.



preparing and beginning the journey

foam born A
foam born B
informal gluttony

the journey itself

sun of nothing
ants of the sky
prequel to the sequel

arrival / reflection

viridian
white walls


of course i could be a huge nerdy fagget that looks into too much

Brogen
08-18-2007, 11:56 PM
i do like how the songs flow. Im a nerdy bitch so it really makes me feel like its some sort of journey/epic adventure.



preparing and beginning the journey

foam born A
foam born B
informal gluttony

the journey itself

sun of nothing
ants of the sky
prequel to the sequel

arrival / reflection

viridian
white walls


of course i could be a huge nerdy fagget that looks into too much


hmmm. makes sense to me. im just going to listen to it as a normal person though.

god damnit jason
08-18-2007, 11:58 PM
hmmm. makes sense to me. im just going to listen to it as a normal person though.

normalcy ftl

Brogen
08-19-2007, 12:00 AM
normalcy ftl

haha. if you wanna do it right you should write a book to go along with it coheed and cambria style. make all the little breaks and stuff fit. get to work, nerd.

Sudden Intoxication
08-19-2007, 12:00 AM
Informal Gluttony is in no shape or form 'just an appetizer'. You're out of your mind.

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 12:03 AM
haha. if you wanna do it right you should write a book to go along with it coheed and cambria style. make all the little breaks and stuff fit. get to work, nerd.


id be so stoked if the cd booklet came with like a paragraph of lyrics and then 3 pages explaining everything else.

Brogen
08-19-2007, 12:04 AM
Informal Gluttony is in no shape or form 'just an appetizer'. You're out of your mind.

i saw a pun in there...was i supposed to?

but i agree. that song is awesome. as is foam born as a whole. i think all 8 songs are necessary personally.

MustangMan311
08-19-2007, 12:09 AM
id be so stoked if the cd booklet came with like a paragraph of lyrics and then 3 pages explaining everything else.

In Dan's interview, he said there wasn't any one particular theme behind it. Just thought I'd throw that in.

But yeah, I'm expecting a nice CD booklet. Haha.

Sudden Intoxication
08-19-2007, 12:10 AM
Lmao. Yes, yes. Gluttony is not an appetizer. That was unintentional. :)

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 12:12 AM
i have to nitpick pretty fucking hard to find any sort of flaws on this asshole cd. :(
even that stupid fucking breakdown is slowly creeping its way into cool.

Brogen
08-19-2007, 12:14 AM
i have to nitpick pretty fucking hard to find any sort of flaws on this asshole cd. :(
even that stupid fucking breakdown is slowly creeping its way into cool.

yeah i read your first post in this thread after i had listening to it once and couldnt figure out what breakdown you were talking about. i think it is awesome.

holyfuck
08-19-2007, 01:11 AM
the breakdown was kind of ish, but the one after it is legendry

Six One Cynic
08-19-2007, 01:18 AM
I think "Viridian" could've been just another passage of a track like Ants or White Walls, not it's own song. FILLER.

Brogen
08-19-2007, 01:20 AM
I think "Viridian" could've been just another passage of a track like Ants or White Walls, not it's own song. FILLER.

but victory forced them to divide it into at least 8 tracks didnt they? so i think it was a good place to divide it.

DillingerEscapePlan
08-19-2007, 01:26 AM
If 8 was the magic number, split Ants of the Sky at 7:30, imo the first half is the worst part on the album. Then delete Viridian completely.

Six One Cynic
08-19-2007, 01:29 AM
but victory forced them to divide it into at least 8 tracks didnt they? so i think it was a good place to divide it.

Something like Reaction would've been tasty, but they didn't repeat themselvs so I guess I answered my question

Durchfall
08-19-2007, 01:33 AM
If 8 was the magic number, split Ants of the Sky at 7:30, imo the first half is the worst part on the album. Then delete Viridian completely.

i disagree. i think ants of the sky is one of the best songs on the cd, and veridian is a great transition into the last track. its like the rising action to the climax which is white walls. the only thing i dont like about the cd is the breakdown at the beginning of decade of statues. imo this cd is surely a 10/10.

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 01:34 AM
i disagree. i think ants of the sky is one of the best songs on the cd, and veridian is a great transition into the last track. its like the rising action to the climax which is white walls. .

DillingerEscapePlan
08-19-2007, 01:45 AM
I agree with you now about Viridian, I think I skipped it first time through because it's obviously a filler. It does need to be there, but take out the ridiculous Dragonforce riff at the end of Ants of Sky (2) and stick Viridian on the same track.

holyfuck
08-19-2007, 01:48 AM
who luled at the apes in informal glutton.

Tommy's range is pretty awesome in this album, but I think his growls lost a bit of body since Alaska. He sounds fucking perfect live though.

Durchfall
08-19-2007, 01:51 AM
who luled at the apes in informal glutton.

Tommy's range is pretty awesome in this album, but I think his growls lost a bit of body since Alaska. He sounds fucking perfect live though.

ehh i think they sound kinda the same. i really like the clean vocals he does though, there phenomenal. and is it me or does the cd sound like it was mixed badly at certain parts? like at a lot of the really fast past distortion riffing parts.

My Arms Your Hearse
08-19-2007, 01:54 AM
yeah, he sounded REAL good live.

holyfuck
08-19-2007, 02:05 AM
the lyrics in ants of the sky where he sings dream on etc, are moving, that part I put up against mordecai.

dactylSAUR
08-19-2007, 06:34 AM
i love how it has structure, musically, but in the big picture it's kind of all over the place.



what's up with the hillbilly riff

Ivan is terrible 75
08-19-2007, 01:14 PM
i can't agree that it's all over the place....not at all.


this is not, and was not supposed to be, like the rest of their albums.

they said that from the beginning.

Watchitgo
08-19-2007, 01:19 PM
i do like how the songs flow. Im a nerdy bitch so it really makes me feel like its some sort of journey/epic adventure.



preparing and beginning the journey

foam born A
foam born B
informal gluttony

the journey itself

sun of nothing
ants of the sky
prequel to the sequel

arrival / reflection

viridian
white walls


of course i could be a huge nerdy fagget that looks into too much

whats the point in NOT seeing it that way, i agree

yeah
08-19-2007, 02:10 PM
There's not one aspect of this album i can shit on.

Joe512
08-19-2007, 02:34 PM
On parts of this album, Tommy reminds me Mike Patton, just because he is all over the place and he shows more range than ever. Everyone seemed to bring their best stuff to this album. Overall this is a fucking awesome cd that blew away my already high expectations, I don't have any complaints about it.

And I laughed pretty hard at the" hoedown" at the end of Ants of the Sky.

LostPerfection
08-19-2007, 02:59 PM
It sucks that victory made them have 8 songs because there's 7 colors of the rainbow and all the colors kinda blend into each other. It would have been a nice metaphor.

Refusal
08-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Masterpiece. No way should we see the same bashing from Alaska. Song length shouldn't discourage you imo, just more greatness rolled into one song. I haven't found anything I haven't like on this album so far. Mad props BTBAM, you surprised a lot of us and may we have many more albums to come!

Six One Cynic
08-19-2007, 04:16 PM
If there's a couple things to rag on it's an ambiguous theme :( WTF is this album about! give us a cool concept to run with, damn.

adrianwar
08-19-2007, 04:22 PM
Masterpiece. No way should we see the same bashing from Alaska. Song length shouldn't discourage you imo, just more greatness rolled into one song. I haven't found anything I haven't like on this album so far. Mad props BTBAM, you surprised a lot of us and may we have many more albums to come!

hell yeah

If there's a couple things to rag on it's an ambiguous theme :( WTF is this album about! give us a cool concept to run with, damn.

i agree. it would've been cooler if there was a storyline or theme to the music, but its still good shit.

BZM
08-19-2007, 04:36 PM
My only complaint other than the obvious riff recycling?

NO VIBRATO, EVER. NOT EVEN IN THE FUCKING PINK FLOYD SOLO.

Watchitgo
08-19-2007, 05:20 PM
truez :(

BZM
08-19-2007, 05:21 PM
the only one doing one fucking bit of vibrato in the entire 1 hour and 7 minutes is Dan in Veridian, as seen in the studio video. That's it.

holyfuck
08-19-2007, 05:33 PM
I think the opening piano melody is the basis, and I notice every song has a central version of that piano that is changed subtly... so I think colors concept is different shades of colour on the same thing. I like that.

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 05:35 PM
im slowly figuring out that white walls is the best thing BTBAM have/will ever write.

DillingerEscapePlan
08-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Colors doesn't have enough memorable heavy riffs to be better than Silent Circus, but it's still pretty good.

Favorite moment?

Mine is Prequel at 5:59

Jotun
08-19-2007, 05:50 PM
So we don't have 15,000 threads on the same subject.

BZM
08-19-2007, 05:51 PM
My absolute favorite moments of Colors are 5:50 to 9:43 of Son of Nothing... no question.

adrianwar
08-19-2007, 05:52 PM
Colors doesn't have enough memorable heavy riffs to be better than Silent Circus, but it's still pretty good.


exactly

dactylSAUR
08-19-2007, 05:52 PM
So we don't have 15,000 threads on the same subject.

we already do.

regular john
08-19-2007, 05:53 PM
nothing will beat the riff at 3:22 in Coulrophobia. When i heard that first my head started spinning. fo real

Jotun
08-19-2007, 05:53 PM
Well at least people will know what the fuck this thread is about before they enter it.

My Arms Your Hearse
08-19-2007, 05:58 PM
like, every riff in The Silent Circus is memorable, haha. I was so stoked they played camilla rhodes live, oh my god I waited so long to see them play that song.

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 06:04 PM
you just couldnt handle not having your own colors thread could you >_<

Jotun
08-19-2007, 06:05 PM
I'm just trying to be a mod without having teh mawd privelegez lol

FASSW_alex
08-19-2007, 06:06 PM
I think this needs to be done...discuss your thoughts on the new album, paul's shitty tone, paul's sweeps, paul's beard, etc...

After a brief listen to the album, I'd have to say this may become my favorite BTBAM album, so far, however, it's 2nd to TSC.
I think this album shows the progression that they needed to have after the silent circus, production is much better, much better songwriting, and some new shit we haven't heard before...polka/bluegrass??

fav. tracks: Sun of Nothing, Ants of the Sky, White Walls

Supreme
08-19-2007, 06:08 PM
gtfo

FASSW_alex
08-19-2007, 06:10 PM
sup

concentrate
08-19-2007, 06:10 PM
One of the 50 threads dedicated the same subject.

FASSW_alex
08-19-2007, 06:12 PM
well i did a search for "colors" and found one thread with like 2 replies and the one where everyone was just like "zomg dis shit is so tite man oh man album of da yeer" not one with peoples in depth thoughts about the album

Sudden Intoxication
08-19-2007, 06:13 PM
stfu, n00b

Incendius
08-19-2007, 06:14 PM
The clean elevator music towards the end of Ants of the Sky, and when it breaks into that polka shit rofl. LOVE IT

Brogen
08-19-2007, 06:19 PM
i dont know, i think this album has tons of memorable riffs. just listen to 3:15 (i think it starts around there) of ants of the sky. but this is all imo of course.

Jotun
08-19-2007, 06:24 PM
That's probably because you only searched the "General" Forum...There are 3 forums.

concentrate
08-19-2007, 06:32 PM
Mawds shmawds.

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:35 PM
this album approaches perfection. everything about this album is amazing. it's like a complete 180 from alaska. i can't believe it.

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:36 PM
haha. you're stupid. there's like 4 or 5 already.

HEREZ ANOTHER 1 SO THERE ARENT LIKE ANOTHER 1 LOLZ

Brogen
08-19-2007, 06:37 PM
this album approaches perfection. everything about this album is amazing. it's like a complete 180 from alaska. i can't believe it.

woot so you did end up downloading it? awesome.

Jotun
08-19-2007, 06:40 PM
haha. you're stupid. there's like 4 or 5 already.

HEREZ ANOTHER 1 SO THERE ARENT LIKE ANOTHER 1 LOLZ

I'll fucking stab you, you inbred hick faggot. The point is, none of these threads are labeled as such. people enter them, write what they want, and it becomes a giant, unorganized mess. If I were an admin, I'd fucking ban you because you're a shit poster.

Brogen
08-19-2007, 06:41 PM
what is wrong with people here? so much hate for no reason.

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:41 PM
I'll fucking stab you, you inbred hick faggot. The point is, none of these threads are labeled as such. people enter them, write what they want, and it becomes a giant, unorganized mess. If I were an admin, I'd fucking ban you because you're a shit poster.

ok butthurt.

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:42 PM
it took me all of 23 seconds to decide to download it once i had access to it.

i just couldn't wait.

Jotun
08-19-2007, 06:44 PM
ok butthurt.

You just keep rackin' em up, don't you.

*sharpens hacksaw*

:emot-LOL:

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:44 PM
you fucking idiots. the songs are too long? this album is one giant song. lol. the band already said that.

adrianwar
08-19-2007, 06:45 PM
what is wrong with people here? so much hate for no reason.

welcome to the internet

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:47 PM
You just keep rackin' em up, don't you.

*sharpens hacksaw*

:emot-LOL:

<3

*puts dip in mouth*

Brogen
08-19-2007, 06:47 PM
welcome to the internet

i know i know, but i still dont understand it. its everywhere. such stupid arguments too. the ones on youtube are the worst.

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 06:49 PM
retard. lol. by the way, the tone on this album is pretty fucking sweet. the production is nice.

Jotun
08-19-2007, 06:53 PM
i know i know, but i still dont understand it. its everywhere. such stupid arguments too. the ones on youtube are the worst.

Youtube comments are painful to read. Same with myspace video comments. Good lord. Makes me actually happy and proud to post here.

concentrate
08-19-2007, 06:54 PM
Colors is my favorite album ever.

Brogen
08-19-2007, 06:57 PM
Youtube comments are painful to read. Same with myspace video comments. Good lord. Makes me actually happy and proud to post here.

yeah im glad i found a place that i like. other places are too gay, or too ungay. the btbam forum is justtt right.

Brogen
08-19-2007, 06:59 PM
oh btw, heres a thought...anyone else feel like this album kind of makes btbam the mars volta of metal? with all the implementations of other genres and the just straight awesomeness? i cant wait for the new mars volta to leak, this will hold me over though :)

Jotun
08-19-2007, 07:03 PM
retard. lol. by the way, the tone on this album is pretty fucking sweet. the production is nice.

I still think the tone is lacking in the way of Low/Low Mids...there's no low end djent (lolz)...better than Alaska, could be better. The rest of the production is fantastic, though. The drums actually have life this time around!

Freakishly Pink7
08-19-2007, 07:03 PM
I honestly think tha this album couldnt be any better, its definetly better than tsc and s/t, and it kills alaska, i couldnt be anymore plaesed with COLORS

Antæos
08-19-2007, 07:10 PM
I wouldn't compare them.

FASSW_alex
08-19-2007, 07:15 PM
aw, well shit
you guys are gay, i'm gonna go listen to the album

Sudden Intoxication
08-19-2007, 07:30 PM
The catchiest part of the cd for me is the 'french accordion' part followed by the guest vocals in Prequel to the Sequel. It's been playing in my head all day.

Watchitgo
08-19-2007, 07:32 PM
I wouldn't compare them.

preech
08-19-2007, 07:36 PM
I still think the tone is lacking in the way of Low/Low Mids...there's no low end djent (lolz)...better than Alaska, could be better. The rest of the production is fantastic, though. The drums actually have life this time around!*Inserts Paul's defense against tone*
you better watch ryanfelix or you might get stabbed with a carrot.

Savior
08-19-2007, 07:38 PM
On parts of this album, Tommy reminds me Mike Patton, just because he is all over the place and he shows more range than ever. Everyone seemed to bring their best stuff to this album. Overall this is a fucking awesome cd that blew away my already high expectations, I don't have any complaints about it.

And I laughed pretty hard at the" hoedown" at the end of Ants of the Sky.
There's some SERIOUS Bungle influence in Sun of Nothing(I think it was).

Jotun
08-19-2007, 07:47 PM
HAAHAHAHAHAHA

Joe512
08-19-2007, 07:57 PM
There's some SERIOUS Bungle influence in Sun of Nothing(I think it was).The whole album gives me a Bungle vibe, just the way that it takes so many genres into one album.

BrickRedShroud
08-19-2007, 08:06 PM
It's on OiNK. Yay!

MustangMan311
08-19-2007, 08:32 PM
DUDE, WHAT, COLORS LEAKED? IT'S ON OINK?!

sktralternative
08-19-2007, 08:42 PM
hahahhhahaha oh man


but yeah colors is awesome, nuff said.

Ivan is terrible 75
08-19-2007, 08:55 PM
colors is a good album...but it's strange...i really feel like btbam has learned new things about music after their adventure into covers with anatomy of...i think it's given them a much deeper sense of musicianship, and that combined with the brutality of the s/t album...i think it's changed them for the better...

that being said, for anyone who was expecting another s/t type of album...that's not going to happen ever again...it was a different line-up with different qualities. this is what this new line-up is doing. if you're expecting another s/t type of album, might as well stop listening to btbam altogether.

phish
08-19-2007, 09:01 PM
I'm not a fan of the bluegrass/polka parts thrown in. White walls and the backtrack more than make up for those parts though

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 09:03 PM
CAN SOMEONE LINK ME??? I CANT BELIEVE IT LEAKED!!
OMG I DIDNT KNOW!!!

I HAVE TO GO MAKE A NEW THREAD MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOE!!!!!

god damnit jason
08-19-2007, 09:25 PM
this is what just happened with all the threads
http://www.transformersclassics.com/news/data/upimages/devestator-robot.jpg

Reverend Ian
08-19-2007, 09:47 PM
Seriously, if i dont get an answer as to who does the prequel vocals, im sending savior in to bust some heads.

teh Mazn
08-19-2007, 10:43 PM
i can definitely see btbam as the mars volta of metal

Freakishly Pink7
08-19-2007, 10:49 PM
i can definitely see btbam as the mars volta of metal

Agreed

MustangMan311
08-19-2007, 10:50 PM
Seriously, if i dont get an answer as to who does the prequel vocals, im sending savior in to bust some heads.

It's Aaron Wolff of The End, according to Savior.

Savior
08-20-2007, 12:02 AM
I'm almost 100% positive it's Aaron Wolff.

MustangMan311
08-20-2007, 12:11 AM
I'm almost 100% positive it's Aaron Wolff.

Yeah, even after hearing him do a little bullshit scream in the one song I listened to, I think it's him. It's way more logical than any other suggestions, too.

Brogen
08-20-2007, 12:52 AM
i thought of that today too. im 99.9% sure its the guy from the end.

Brogen
08-20-2007, 12:52 AM
i can definitely see btbam as the mars volta of metal

and i loveee the mars volta. i love btbam more, but the mars volta are amazing in their own right.

tremulant25
08-20-2007, 01:05 AM
I'm pretty much cumming.

Pogodimi
08-20-2007, 07:44 AM
Does anyone else feel like listening to Colors is like travelling to some strange but wonderful futuristic world filled with layers upon layers of glorious things which you think you understand, but in all reality you haven't even scratched the surface of what it could all really mean.

I meant for that to sound that gay on purpose.

But in all seriousness, it's really weird because I can't listen to any of these songs on the album simply as songs, like I could with S/T, Silent Circus, and Alaska. The songs on Colors are a totally different beast and even though I have no idea what the story behind the lyrics is, this album actually has some emotional effect on me other than "fuck that was an awesome drum fill, or damn that guys sweeps own!1!." For me, the first time I heard the other BTBAM albums I would initially be jamming on the really intricate or heavy parts, and only a few songs (Autodidact, Shevanel Cut a Flip, Mordecai) had a deeper effect.

And I don't care, you fuckers can call me a fag, emo kid, har har but that's not what I mean at all. Because I know every single one of you just kinda sat in awe when you first heard the double vocal part in prequel to the sequel, or the soft part in "Son of Nothing" and the thing is, that's just two examples of that kind of feeling, and IMO Colors is going to be so good, because the entire album is filled with those kind of thought and emotion provoking moments.


.....I really hope the lyrics don't suck when I see the booklet, and I hope there is some kind of weird concept behind the album because then I wont feel like a complete douche.

adrianwar
08-20-2007, 09:07 AM
good post


I'm pretty much cumming.

ugay

devouredinchaos
08-20-2007, 08:05 PM
You gotta love the whole 70's prog rock influence going on all over this album though..fuckin a' I just can't get enough of this.

cloudscollide
08-20-2007, 08:54 PM
i can definitely see btbam as the mars volta of metal

Yes except BTBAM knows how to actually fill their long ass songs with MUSIC wherease the Mars Volta would rather fill their long ass songs 3/4ths full of music and the rest be pointless noise. I am a TMV fan though and their improv skills are impressive but people on this forum including me were curious to see if BTBAM could pull off the task of writing a great long song and they nailed it on the head several times on this record. TMV has failed at that more than once.

teh Mazn
08-21-2007, 01:34 AM
Yes except BTBAM knows how to actually fill their long ass songs with MUSIC wherease the Mars Volta would rather fill their long ass songs 3/4ths full of music and the rest be pointless noise. I am a TMV fan though and their improv skills are impressive but people on this forum including me were curious to see if BTBAM could pull off the task of writing a great long song and they nailed it on the head several times on this record. TMV has failed at that more than once.

point taken, and agreed to a certain extent, however i typically listen to the mars volta when i'm stoned. when i'm high i want to hear arbitrary sound effects and stuff like that. makes me trip the fuck out and have an awesome aural experience and IMO if you don't like that about TMV then you aren't really a fan of what they do.

cloudscollide
08-21-2007, 02:19 AM
point taken, and agreed to a certain extent, however i typically listen to the mars volta when i'm stoned. when i'm high i want to hear arbitrary sound effects and stuff like that. makes me trip the fuck out and have an awesome aural experience and IMO if you don't like that about TMV then you aren't really a fan of what they do.

I don't like how they were amazing live and then the last time I saw them they were embarrassing live. Still really like them though...but they totally sucked with their new drummer. John Theadore needs to come back. Oh and I don't get high so I have no idea wtf you were just talking about before. :emot-blin

tremulant25
08-21-2007, 02:21 AM
The Mars Volta are great in their own right. I don't really think you can compare BTBAM to TMV in any way, metal or not. Early TMV is so much better though, it seems they lost motivation or something after Frances The Mute, which was basically just a guitar wankery fest.

teh Mazn
08-21-2007, 02:22 AM
frances the mute is their best album in my opinion.

and we weren't really comparing them musically, just in how innovative they are.

tremulant25
08-21-2007, 02:25 AM
As far as innovation goes, yes.

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08-22-2007, 02:31 AM
Back about BTBAM, I thought White Walls, despite being super cool, didn't really give a sense of closure. As in, they could have pulled that ending out of any of the songs on that record and still made it servicable. Totally anticlimactic. I was expecting something exceptionally big, like The Need For Repetition.

The songs in general were great, until the metal parts came in. It almost seemed like there was a lot of filler, just to make the songs longer. On a record called "Colors," one would expect each song to have its own mood, and while that exists to some extent, it's not noticable, especially in songs like Prequel to the Sequel which just totally change gears and get ruined.

Ants of the Sky, Sun of Nothing, and Informal Gluttony could have been broken up, too. The Backtrack and Decade of Statues were good in that respect, because instead of being a long song full of arbitrary transitions into arbitrary parts, and each one expresses a specific mood.

Conclusion: it's great to listen straight through, except maybe for the ending, but song-by-song it's not particularly impressive. Although Decade, Backtrack, Viridian, and White Walls hold up pretty well on their own.

It sounds like... if Rhapsody and My Bitter End had a child and then had it homeschooled by Mike Patton, while its best friends were The Red Chord and The Acacia Strain.

teh Mazn
08-22-2007, 02:37 AM
the need for repitition climactic? LOL

if white walls wasn't climactic enough for you, ....i mean....i don't even know wtf to say to that. that's like the most dramatic song EVER.

athousandemptyminds
08-22-2007, 02:38 AM
Speaking of Bungle, did anyone else instantly think of Mike Patton when they heard 3:30 in that song (sun of nothing)? I would have just assumed it was Patton if I hadn't known what an amazing Patton impression that Tommy could do from the Malpractice cover.

Sudden Intoxication
08-22-2007, 02:42 AM
Informal Gluttony is fucking great.

athousandemptyminds
08-22-2007, 02:43 AM
Ants In The Sky at 2:44 is very similar to Dream Theater's ending to "Fatal Tragedy" from SFAM, but it's still amazing. There is a definite influence I'm hearing from SFAM-era Dream Theater in the guitar/keyboard harmonies... which is pretty sick. I'm definitely glad to hear Tommy doing some leady stuff on the keys. 3:44 in the same song is very reminiscent to a part in the dream theater song from the same album (I think), but I can't figure which... maybe another dt could help me out with that.

Not being critical at all, just some similarities I noticed. I love the parts.

Brogen
08-22-2007, 03:03 AM
getting back to the white walls ending thing...

personally i thought it was an amazing ending. the big build up of that song (get out of this closed off circle) was cumworthy in my opinion. dustys lead comes in and just wow. then the breakdown and all that. i thought it was an amazing dramatic end to the album/song.

~~~
08-22-2007, 03:06 AM
I dunno. It's one of my favorites on the album, but it still feels to me like the song didn't receive enough special treatment, considering that it's the ending to Colors of all records.

god damnit jason
08-22-2007, 03:56 AM
getting back to the white walls ending thing...

personally i thought it was an amazing ending. the big build up of that song (get out of this closed off circle) was cumworthy in my opinion. dustys lead comes in and just wow. then the breakdown and all that. i thought it was an amazing dramatic end to the album/song.

the breakdown should have been left on alaska.
that breakdown is the only negative on the whole album. it frustrates me :(
its still my favorite song though. maybe thats why it get on my nerves so much.
but they can make breakdowns like whoa. its lame that they used one that generic by BTBAM standards.

Brogen
08-22-2007, 04:01 AM
the breakdown should have been left on alaska.
that breakdown is the only negative on the whole album. it frustrates me :(
its still my favorite song though. maybe thats why it get on my nerves so much.
but they can make breakdowns like whoa. its lame that they used one that generic by BTBAM standards.

as much as i think it is an alaska type breakdown, i think its a good breakdown. there really arent that many on colors, and that one just hits me for some reason. the one in prequel is fucking awesome though.

yeah
08-22-2007, 08:41 AM
Informal Gluttony is fucking great.

That song could have made a good last track and ending for Colors

MustangMan311
08-22-2007, 10:52 AM
Informal Gluttony is fucking great.

The "feed me fear" with Tommy doing "informal" and "gluttony" in the back is fucking great.

Candillinger
08-26-2007, 12:06 AM
If 8 was the magic number, split Ants of the Sky at 7:30, imo the first half is the worst part on the album. Then delete Viridian completely.


your username would describe the reason you said that.

i think both ants of the sky's first half and viridian are incredibly beautiful.
go listen to slayer.

RobertsTheCoolest
08-28-2007, 04:07 AM
Viridian, ftw