shred or tech

[Rockinmydeock]

i was just wondering if you guys thought that it is better to be a shredding kind of person, becuase it sounds badass, or a technical person to the point where you can play against and chord progression and actually show an emotion that you feel just by playing the guitar, i would actually like shane and or pauls input on this also

thx

[The Nephew]

I'm not sure if I understand this question but to be a versatile player (which is what most decent players desire to be) you must enjoy all avenues of music and guitar to really be accomplished. Shredding is a term used to describe a style of guitar playing that includes alot of complex progressions (ie. the most popular shredding technique being arpeggiated notes or "sweeping")

[Beelzebozo]

I thought shredding was more like tremolo picking and just general fast playing. example: thrash, death, grind

[The Nephew]

Originally posted by Beelzebozo
I thought shredding was more like tremolo picking and just general fast playing. example: thrash, death, grind

Sure, shredding is slang so it means different things to different people.

[NukeAJS]

Of course I think that knowing a lot of different styles is great but if I were to pit 1v1 I'd say technical (which is a really shadowy term) because shredding is very limited in my opinion. Shredding is normally good for more agressive emotions whereas technical (I still only barely know what you are talking about here) playing could encompass any emotion. Flogging could be technical and does fast, hardcore music good. Bluesey stuff is technical and does slower, deeper music good. If this was "what should I learn first: shredding or techincal stuff?" I'd say technical since you can apply technical stuff to pretty music anything but shredding to very little.

[ycrem_ytireves]

ok, first of all i love this topic because ive been debating this stuff. but heres my point of view..
people that jsut shred, like metalheads and shit, usually have no idea what they are playin, what mode, what scale, even what key. they just play crappy notes at inconceiably fast speeds while hitting a note that sounds good every few seconds, so it sounds like something, THAT IS CRAP. but people that know exactly waht they are playin and why, are gods. also, shredders always play the same thing. ive taken lessons from many a shredders, and they all have a sheet with "their licks."how fuckin gay is that that you can write your favorite licks that you play in every song. and the only teacher ive stayed with is the one that likes mean nasty chords , but can still shred your face off. SHRED IS DEAD. and im not just saying that cause i cant do it, but im saying it cause i hate the shredders that dont know what theyre playin and keep playing it over and over. fin

[PoisontheWell]

Originally posted by ycrem_ytireves
ok, first of all i love this topic because ive been debating this stuff. but heres my point of view..
people that jsut shred, like metalheads and shit, usually have no idea what they are playin, what mode, what scale, even what key. they just play crappy notes at inconceiably fast speeds while hitting a note that sounds good every few seconds, so it sounds like something, THAT IS CRAP. but people that know exactly waht they are playin and why, are gods. also, shredders always play the same thing. ive taken lessons from many a shredders, and they all have a sheet with "their licks."how fuckin gay is that that you can write your favorite licks that you play in every song. and the only teacher ive stayed with is the one that likes mean nasty chords , but can still shred your face off. SHRED IS DEAD. and im not just saying that cause i cant do it, but im saying it cause i hate the shredders that dont know what theyre playin and keep playing it over and over. fin

i agreee partially with that, but idk about shred being dead. Just b/c you play fast doesn't mean you have no idea what you're playing.

[ycrem_ytireves]

yea im shitting on the poeple that DONT know. but the poeple that do know, more power to ya

[nick]

A good shredder will know what scales he is playing. I would say i like technical better.

[mahullendrive]

i agree shred is a slang term just like the over used word emo which has different meaning to different people every other day!
EG. Glassjaw i thought where Emo!
then i heard fucking pop bands are emo as well!??!?!
Anyway thats a nother topic but emo started fucking yrs ago anyway!
But shred means different things to different people i would say to me shred is the very hard fast playing and being very good and having a good ability to play!
Techincal to me would b more in the structure of songs!! also some techniques of playing guitar cud b described as technical!
But usually id use the word to describe a bands style of writing!

[Guitarcore108]

Yeah all shred are boiled down to these catagories: speed picking , sweep picking , and finger tapping.

[Slasher]

Originally posted by ycrem_ytireves
ok, first of all i love this topic because ive been debating this stuff. but heres my point of view..
people that jsut shred, like metalheads and shit, usually have no idea what they are playin, what mode, what scale, even what key. they just play crappy notes at inconceiably fast speeds while hitting a note that sounds good every few seconds, so it sounds like something, THAT IS CRAP. but people that know exactly waht they are playin and why, are gods. also, shredders always play the same thing. ive taken lessons from many a shredders, and they all have a sheet with "their licks."how fuckin gay is that that you can write your favorite licks that you play in every song. and the only teacher ive stayed with is the one that likes mean nasty chords , but can still shred your face off. SHRED IS DEAD. and im not just saying that cause i cant do it, but im saying it cause i hate the shredders that dont know what theyre playin and keep playing it over and over. fin

I love the 'metalheads' comment. you need to be smacked upside the head.

[The Nephew]

Originally posted by Slasher
I love the 'metalheads' comment. you need to be smacked upside the head.

Instead of smacked he should be "bizmarked."

[ianeubanks]

well, i consider the solos from bands like children of bodom shred. but alexi OBVIOUSLY knows what hes doing. hes a freaking beast. the solos are the only reason i listen to the songs, because they are so mind boggling.

but john petrucci is technical, and i also really really like his solos, but thats about it for dream theater/liquid tension.
id strangle a cat to see john petrucci in a sweet metal band, though.

[Rockinmydeock]

kind of what i mean by shredding is, off the wall, off the top of your head without having a chance to think about what you're playing, and what i mean by technical, is modes i.e. locrian, mix,lyd etc. and that children of bodom wouldn't really be shred because their solos go along with the music and chord progression, whereas kirk hammet he goes out of key and shit and just plays fast without any thought to the chords, but hetfield and his solos such as the first on in master of puppets, that is melodic and beautiful i love it, but there is what i mean y shred and tech

[Rockinmydeock]

and idont just mean modes, i mean scales such as whole tone diminished and shitl ike that, and exotic scales too, sry forgot to mention those things:p

[nick]

Wait cant you be a technical shredder? And most jazz is done without thinking that much about it but most of those musicians know what scale and mode they are playing.

[Rockinmydeock]

shredding has a completely different meaning it kind of means playing fast and hitting a lot of notes with no regard for theory, and you dont really shred in jazz, though i would pay to see that, and jazz is completely scripted, through and through, or at least that's what i've heard, cause they change keys a lot

[ycrem_ytireves]

Originally posted by Slasher
I love the 'metalheads' comment. you need to be smacked upside the head.

i love ya too .

[Beelzebozo]

So basically ur calling someone a shredder if they don't have knowledge of music theory and just improvises. And technical if u do have knowledge of theory and know what sounds good before u play it.

[Rockinmydeock]

Originally posted by Beelzebozo
So basically ur calling someone a shredder if they don't have knowledge of music theory and just improvises. And technical if u do have knowledge of theory and know what sounds good before u play it.
you can "shred" but still know theory, it's fun to shred. but what you said about technical is kind of right, if you play technical and know how to use it well or to it's full extent, like petrucci or vai or satriani, or even paul or shane, then you should know what sounds good over what.
does that make sense?

[ycrem_ytireves]

yes. shredder is a negative thing to me. but thats just me

[ycrem_ytireves]

i went to national guitar workshop in LA this year and every kid fuckin shredded and sucked major asshole. it put a negative image on every 80s band ever.

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I say mix shred and tech together, thats what i'm working on hahaha

[M3tal]

Tech all the way. Music is supposed to show emotion in one way or another. I mean thrash is cool and all I can argue that but tech just shows that the guitarist has even a little sliver of emotion.

[ycrem_ytireves]

your a good musician when you can put what you feel into your music. you dont sit down and say, "i wanna make a hxc band." you just play. but a lot of shredders sit down and say "im gonna shred on this back track." i mean, if your gonna shred itll just pop out.

[The Nephew]

ycrem that baby with the juice box is one of the ugliest babies I've ever seen.

[Rockinmydeock]

ycrem and m3tal, very good point

[ycrem_ytireves]

Originally posted by The Nephew
ycrem that baby with the juice box is one of the ugliest babies I've ever seen.

i cant believe you havent seen the baby yet! its never coming off my sig. and rockin thanks. juiceboxcore!!!

[little_beaner]

............*farts*............

[analogcreature]

uh im sure you can be both, i consider shredding to be soloing at a very high BPM, whether you know the scales or not, although knowing what you are playing lends it self to sounding cool and being a good musician. and i consider technical to be dealing with structures or songs and pieces or music, and creating pieces that are more complex and difficult and challenging