What happened to this scene?

[Stradale13]

I have started listening to some of the new metal bands these days (and I am not going to specify a "core" suffix, to me, its all metal) and I stumbled upon this forum via BTBAM's website. I got into this stuff in high school in the early 90's when there was a HUGE straight-edge scene in the midwest (Endpoint, Split Lip, Inside Out, etc) but when I went to college to study music, I had to learn about other stuff, so I lost track. I have to say metal these days is the best its ever been, but whats with all the shallow crap? By most peoples' reckoning on here, being gay and liking metal just can't be possible. I am gay personally but I have learned that has not a damn thing to do with ANYTHING except who you're attracted to. If I go to a show and I am not "dressed" right or like bands that aren't "cool", should I just wear a sign that says "I am a faggot, push me in the circle pit and judo-kick me in my nuts before I give everybody at this show HIV."? I know I am a "noob" and everybody will now bust out the "flamethrowers" but I just miss when it was about the music...

You basically have the same mentality whether you are trying to fit in or whether you are trying not to fit in-Elizabeth Barrnett

[Incendius]

It is about the music but you have those select few who are there just to start shit. I honestly dont give a fuck what you look like or how you dress as long as you dont make a big deal about it. If you DO make a big deal out of it as some sort of trend you are following just to be cool then you are a fucking faggot, no offense. I honestly have no problems with homos as long as you dont try and touch me lol, be what you want, but then you have people, like on this forum, who will post "FAGGOT" in largest font possible, and i already know who it will be

[Incendius]

and by the way we all know each other here so we mess with each other all the time with the gay jokes and shit

[Jotun]

You have to understand that about 3% of the statements made on this forum are actually serious, haha. It's not like any of us let whether or not a gay person likes metal weigh heavily on our minds all day...just relax.

[Incendius]

You have to understand that about 3% of the statements made on this forum are actually serious, haha. It's not like any of us let whether or not a gay person likes metal weigh heavily on our minds all day...just relax.

yeah the ones that are serious are the ones about people posting how Paul is better than Dimebag LOL, and shit of that nature. Take nothing on this forum serious

[teh Mazn]

I have started listening to some of the new metal bands these days (and I am not going to specify a "core" suffix, to me, its all metal) and I stumbled upon this forum via BTBAM's website. I got into this stuff in high school in the early 90's when there was a HUGE straight-edge scene in the midwest (Endpoint, Split Lip, Inside Out, etc) but when I went to college to study music, I had to learn about other stuff, so I lost track. I have to say metal these days is the best its ever been, but whats with all the shallow crap? By most peoples' reckoning on here, being gay and liking metal just can't be possible. I am gay personally but I have learned that has not a damn thing to do with ANYTHING except who you're attracted to. If I go to a show and I am not "dressed" right or like bands that aren't "cool", should I just wear a sign that says "I am a faggot, push me in the circle pit and judo-kick me in my nuts before I give everybody at this show HIV."? I know I am a "noob" and everybody will now bust out the "flamethrowers" but I just miss when it was about the music...

You basically have the same mentality whether you are trying to fit in or whether you are trying not to fit in-Elizabeth Barrnettwhy the fuck did you make it a point to tell us you're a queer? you want some kind of special treatment or something?

the quote you wrote is a quite hypocritical one.

[Scrote]

I am gay. LOL

[tck!]

I have gay friends. But I hate when gay's are like "ZOMG I JUS NOW DEVELPED A LISP"

Fuck that shit. And trendy faggots should die. I don't give a fuck if they are nice people or not. the fact that they buy into that bullshit = death

[nepoleon_solo]

Exactly. There are homos and then there are fags. Homos fuck fags. Just, bam, slap 'em around. If you're a homo, remember you're still a goddamn man. Act like one.....and death to fags.

[Reverend Ian]

Wanna cyber?

[Shaft]

HAHA YOU LIKE WEINERS!

[Refusal]

The only serious thing on this forum is the ysi thread...

[teh Mazn]

If you're a homo, remember you're still a goddamn man. Act like one.....


probably the best thing written about homos in a long time.

[BrickRedShroud]

Exactly. There are homos and then there are fags. Homos fuck fags. Just, bam, slap 'em around. If you're a homo, remember you're still a goddamn man. Act like one.....and death to fags.


you should write self help books. seriously.

[Savior]

Exactly. There are homos and then there are fags. Homos fuck fags. Just, bam, slap 'em around. If you're a homo, remember you're still a goddamn man. Act like one.....and death to fags.
10/10

[BZM]

if you don't ask masculine and you go to every extent to point out that you're gay and shove that in people's faces

don't expect them to take it easy on you

p.s. i wonder if this person is jake lol

[BrickRedShroud]

there was this kid in my senior english class who at every given opportunity had to remind us that he idolized elton john and loved will and grace. needless to say, no one took him seriously.

[Symbiotic in Theory]

OMG DUDE IF U LUV COCKS, U SHUD CHECK OUT DA IM RIFING MAH THRED CUZ THAT HAS A PEE PEE. LOL.

but seriously, i think that sexual orientation and religion are two things that you shouldnt really advertise. I mean, honestly, human nature of most people is to judge others, I usually look past shit, but not many people do, seriously, people should come out, but not advertise. But as for this thread, its kind of important that you told us your orientation.

So basically, its okay if people are gay as long as they arent.. gay about it.

BTW, Dont take that line seriously.







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[Adrenaline Pins]

its the 21st century. personally, i could give a shit if someone is gay or not. i have an uncle who is gay, and he's one of the coolest people i know.

[Shaft]

its the 21st century. personally, i could give a shit if someone is gay or not. i have an uncle who is gay, and he's one of the coolest people i know.

Yeah dude. Gay uncles are totally rad.

Even when they come in your room late at night wanting a massage.

[Colter]

/\lol.

Well dude, I wish it was still about the music... but for most people, its just not. So just make it about the music for yourself, You will feel smarter than everyone else anyway for that reason.

And welcome to the Btbam boards, noob.

[Stradale13]

I guess mainly I have a problem with people using the word "faggot" as a word for someone or something that they think is stupid. If most of the stuff is just friends joking around, I take no offense to that either. I don't usually advertise my orientation, as I believe its just something you are, like being Asian or German or whatever. BTBAM is a great band among many great bands out there these days; can't wait till they play in Atlanta.

[Shaft]

I saw them in A-town last year.

All the gay kids got thrown out. Sorry.

[Stradale13]

I'm 30. I don't really qualify as a "kid" but thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to leave my pink neon sign that says "I like the cock" at home.

[Shaft]

I'm 30. I don't really qualify as a "kid" but thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to leave my pink neon sign that says "I like the cock" at home.

Don't bring your "I love attention" sign, either.

[BZM]

Don't bring your "I love attention" sign, either.

[Adrenaline Pins]

Yeah dude. Gay uncles are totally rad.

Even when they come in your room late at night wanting a massage.

why do you think i thought he was so cool

[Reverend Ian]

I guess mainly I have a problem with people using the word "faggot" as a word for someone or something that they think is stupid. If most of the stuff is just friends joking around, I take no offense to that either. I don't usually advertise my orientation, as I believe its just something you are, like being Asian or German or whatever. BTBAM is a great band among many great bands out there these days; can't wait till they play in Atlanta.
Like i said, finding the word 'faggot' so offensive that you wish it never to be used is far more homophobic than anything.

[BZM]

gays need to stop bitching.

[astainedsky]

i love when n00bs come on here and talk about the state of the scene

gtfo fag

[tck!]

If you can take a cock, you can take a 6 letter word.

[astainedsky]

hahaha

[Shaft]

If you can take a cock, you can take a 6 letter word.

Weiner?

[astainedsky]

faggot

[astainedsky]

If you can take a cock, you can take a 6 letter word.

faggot

[tck!]

faggot

:(

[Symbiotic in Theory]

If you can take a cock, you can take a 6 letter word.
Im making that my signature, because its probably the best thing ive ever heard anyone say ever.

[T3h Effing Broom]

When we do gay shit, you can call it straight, and we won't take offense to it.

...not so sure it will have the same ring to it, but go for it brostache.

[mircfool]

can't wait till they play in Atlanta.

dec 2nd my friend. ill be there

[prayerforazazelandme]

I have started listening to some of the new metal bands these days (and I am not going to specify a "core" suffix, to me, its all metal) and I stumbled upon this forum via BTBAM's website. I got into this stuff in high school in the early 90's when there was a HUGE straight-edge scene in the midwest (Endpoint, Split Lip, Inside Out, etc) but when I went to college to study music, I had to learn about other stuff, so I lost track. I have to say metal these days is the best its ever been, but whats with all the shallow crap? By most peoples' reckoning on here, being gay and liking metal just can't be possible. I am gay personally but I have learned that has not a damn thing to do with ANYTHING except who you're attracted to. If I go to a show and I am not "dressed" right or like bands that aren't "cool", should I just wear a sign that says "I am a faggot, push me in the circle pit and judo-kick me in my nuts before I give everybody at this show HIV."? I know I am a "noob" and everybody will now bust out the "flamethrowers" but I just miss when it was about the music...

You basically have the same mentality whether you are trying to fit in or whether you are trying not to fit in-Elizabeth Barrnett

How about this, the scene and the music are two totally different things. Who gives a fuck about the scene. And yeah I remember Endpoint and Scab and Metroshifter and all those bands too, but the only thing that has changed is the number of heads into the music, the more people, the more the chance of stupid people. But who cares, like what you like and don't give a fuck. No scenesters are stopping me from enjoying any band or show.

[Death_]

and everybody will now bust out the "flamethrowers"

hahahahahahahhaha

[yeah]

i'm new to the "metal" scene i guess. i always considered underground metal bands just hardcore. these scene kids were never around when i used to go to shows, dancing changed so much...

[SHE'S HEROIN]

:(

I think he was implying that "faggot" is a 6 letter word, he wasn't dissin' ya bud. <3

[holyfuck]

Compassion no more, the angel sleeps in her blood.
Guilt will ruin... you rest no more.
I will always watch... until the last church is burned,
until the guilty drown in blood, until your preachers
of filth cease to be. Everyday I hope...I hope that your
end will bring a better day.
Fuck your god, your god of shit. Our sin will send the
death we wish upon you. For the families you've
broken, for the lies you have ruined, we burn the last
of you down.
Now you will receive us. We do not ask for your poor,
or for your hungry. We don't want your tired and sick.
It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will
be sought by us. With every breath we shall hunt them
down everyday. We will spill their blood till it
bleeds down from the sky. Now you will receive us,
receive the arsonist.

[SHE'S HEROIN]

t3h ar$0n1$t!?!?

[holyfuck]

je je

homosexuals are coolio. troof.

[Sudden Intoxication]

i don't want no 20 cents fuck you

[Savior]

i don't want no 20 cents fuck you
ahahahahahaha

[Shawn]

in all reality anyone who says "I don't care if you're gay, but I'll hit you if you hit on me" should be shot.

Thats the same as saying you should be hit for hitting on any girl who doesn't want to be with you.

[teh Mazn]

that makes abolutely no sense.

[Shawn]

that makes abolutely no sense.
How does it not make sense?


Saying you're going to hit a gay guy for hitting on you is justifying a girl hitting you for hitting on her.

[BZM]

this thread is fucking gay.

[T3h Effing Broom]

If she's a dyke, then she can hit me. Thats IN THE EVENT that the girl would not want me hitting on her, which has never happened to late madlolz. But yeah, it makes me uncomfortable to be hit on period, but punching a bro out = overkill.

[Stradale13]

Well, I guess we can all agree to disagree, but the one fact we can't ignore is that we're all poeple and we're all different. It sure would be boring otherwise. I consider this topic closed.

[tck!]

How does it not make sense?


Saying you're going to hit a gay guy for hitting on you is justifying a girl hitting you for hitting on her.

guy hitting on girl = normal or heterosexual

guy hitting on guy = not normal or gay

It's offensive. Asshole guys who try and get with girls is normal. But guys who try and get with guys with only like 3% of the population being gay is fucked up.


Your logic was flawed Shawn

[Stradale13]

Last post = 3rd grade education

[yeah]

i've been hit on by a gay before. i just implied that i wasnt gay. i didnt get mad the least bit

[Reverend Ian]

guy hitting on girl = normal or heterosexual

guy hitting on guy = not normal or gay

It's offensive. Asshole guys who try and get with girls is normal. But guys who try and get with guys with only like 3% of the population being gay is fucked up.


Your logic was flawed Shawn
Thats pretty dumb. A simple "im not gay" isnt that hard. Its not like gay people everywhere are waiting for someone to convince you to take the cock so they can stick it in your pooper.

[BZM]

if they continue to harrass you after you tell them you're not gay, though... that's uncalled for.

[Reverend Ian]

Yeah well thats being an asshole. Not being gay.

[teh Mazn]

being gay is not normal. period. shut the fuck up about it already you fucking bleeding heart liberals.

if you chose to be gay, that's fine and dandy. i, however, believe it is very wrong.

[veggiebooty]

being gay is not normal. period. shut the fuck up about it already you fucking bleeding heart liberals.

if you chose to be gay, that's fine and dandy. i, however, believe it is very wrong.
:lol: Wow.

Fucking dumbasses these days... It's astounding. Bravo

[Deathface]

^^^So you're saying being gay IS normal? If so, you're the fucking dumbass. Gays are not normal. And I believe it's very wrong as well, it's disgusting.

[veggiebooty]

How exactly is being gay not normal? Fill me in. What do you objectively define as "normal"? Let's hear a valid argument that isn't "gays are icky. buttsex isn't natural, would you want feces all over your dick?" or "they can't reproduce, therefore it's not natural." I think it's safe to say those have been debunked ad nauseum.

[Reverend Ian]

Then please go fuck up your own life some more. Lol@intolerance. Homosexuality has been around far longer than the bullshit midwest american idea of morality.

[Reverend Ian]

This thread is fucking retarded. I quit.

[Can_I_Scream]

being gay is not normal. period. shut the fuck up about it already you fucking bleeding heart liberals.

if you chose to be gay, that's fine and dandy. i, however, believe it is very wrong.

Hahaha, I like how you classify every person on the planet who happens to not be offended or disagree with homosexuality a "bleeding heart liberal". It's really not a political platform at all...

And if you want to talk about that I've met a ton of gay people who would call themselves "Republicans" or "conservatives" because most of them dwell in the upper bracket of the status quo monetarily-wise because they're more concerned about keeping their pockets full moreso than being outcasted for what kind of orifice they shove it into at night.

[tck!]

Last post = 3rd grade education

False.

If a homosexual sees a large group of dudes they react much the same as a dude does when he sees a large group of chick (we'll assume both groups are attractive), he becomes interested in a sexual manner.

Now if a guy goes and hits on a girl, that is a normal/natural thing to do. If the girl says no, that is the end of it (hopefully)

If a guy goes and hits on a guy, odds are that guy isn't gay. It's an unnatural thing to do and will most likely have very negative consequences. Keep that shit in gay bars/clubs.

What you do is your own buisness, but I'm fucking tired of people accepting it like it's normal behavior. I have nothing against people who are gay, but an overt expression of that lifestyle is unacceptable.

[prayerforazazelandme]

http://www.ubrfvideo.com/goldranger/funny/gay_thread.gif

[Stradale13]

I am not going to do the research for you, but there is more and more proof every day that sexual orientation is genetic, like eye color or hair color. I also despise when homophobes such as yourself think that all gay men do is go out and try and fuck every guy they see. In my experience, its straight men who hit on and cat call every woman they see and generally behave like neanderthalls. I don't know why I am even wasting my time with a close minded right-wing facist like you. People fear what they don't understand and you are a PRIME fucking example of that.

[Sudden Intoxication]

llol dude relax, if you disagree with him that strongly, just ignore him

i get a lot of racist bullshit for being hispanic, i have to put up with shit that really gets to me

[Stradale13]

Serious music question, Sudden. Been wanting to listen to ISIS where to start?

[tck!]

I am not going to do the research for you, but there is more and more proof every day that sexual orientation is genetic, like eye color or hair color. I also despise when homophobes such as yourself think that all gay men do is go out and try and fuck every guy they see. In my experience, its straight men who hit on and cat call every woman they see and generally behave like neanderthalls. I don't know why I am even wasting my time with a close minded right-wing facist like you. People fear what they don't understand and you are a PRIME fucking example of that.


have nothing against people who are gay

lurn2reed k?

and by the by, being open minded doesn't mean I have to agree or accept what you believe. But lo and behold, I AM! So stop being a stereotypical "EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET ME" faggot and take the hard knocks. You are on the internet. The BTBAM board especially. 97% of what we say is bullshit. Fucking get over it.

and as for Isis, I like Celestial a great deal.

[TheFranMan]

Don't you guys know what happens when you have too many gays?

Hurricanes come. I swear, this board is gonna be flooded or get some crazy virus, all because this guy came here. I say for the sake of our forum, we gotta sacrifice him.

[holyfuck]

being open minded doesn't mean I have to agree or accept what you believe.

There is nothing wrong or unnatural about homosexuality and holyfuck does support and respect homosexuality, but, the above statement is completely true. Not everyone is going to believe what you do, because they have a different perspective. Unless they are personally attacking and baselessly insulting you stardale, you have no right to be angry about what he said.
That said I applaud stardale's pride and spirit.

truth

[yeah]

llol dude relax, if you disagree with him that strongly, just ignore him

i get a lot of racist bullshit for being hispanic, i have to put up with shit that really gets to me


shut up spic

:banana:

[tremulant25]

shawn is the only one i agree with here, he makes a valid point. And the poster makes sense too, however no scenesters are going to stop me from enjoying the music i like and have grown up on. anybody that keeps trends/scenes..whatever closely together, should be shot. they should be kept seperate just like anything else, i.e. religion and politics.

[nepoleon_solo]

1. Questioning leads to problems.
2. Homos questioned their sexuality.

3. Stop Fucking Butts.

And this is quoting straight out of a Socrates book I just read for my Philosophy course.

[TheFranMan]

1. Questioning leads to problems.
2. Homos questioned their sexuality.

3. Stop Fucking Butts.

And this is quoting straight out of a Socrates book I just read for my Philosophy course.

QFT

[!WaR]

When will the scene get pretty again?

[Sudden Intoxication]

Serious music question, Sudden. Been wanting to listen to ISIS where to start?

Oceanic IMO. Their newest album is REALLY tight tho. It really doesn't matter, once you fall in love with one you'll want more of it.

shut up spic

:banana:
:duh:

[yeah]

no way, get the old sludgecore shit.

i saw them live when they played that style. they were the loudest band i ever heard. by the time cave in came on (pre space-rock cave in) i couldnt really hear

[Obswalq]

shut up spic

:banana:

no u stfu bich0

[Sudden Intoxication]

no u stfu bich0

lol did you get that word from bangbros???

[prayerforazazelandme]

no u stfu bich0

No Croy, you shut the fuckity fuckens' up.

[Obswalq]

lol did you get that word from bangbros???

You've gotta' be fucking kidding me...I thought I was original and came up with that first. :(

No Croy, you shut the fuckity fuckens' up.

Yo man, I honestly don't like you at all. :banana:

[nepoleon_solo]

You've gotta' be fucking kidding me...I thought I was original and came up with that first. :(



Yo man, I honestly don't like you at all. :banana:

My buddies used have said that quite often when they try to speak to me in spanish and add an O to the end of every word.

[Obswalq]

Tell your buddies to get off my dick. :(

[yeah]

fuck everybody

[Shawn]

^^^So you're saying being gay IS normal? If so, you're the fucking dumbass. Gays are not normal. And I believe it's very wrong as well, it's disgusting.
wow... considering the situation (a kid sitting on the internet, on an extreme metal band's forum), who gives a shit about what is normal?

Being gay may not be normal as in... the majority of people are not... but honestly who the fuck cares?

Love is normal. Human connection is normal, and that's what love is about. So why can't any two humans have a transcendant connection?

[Shawn]

I am not going to do the research for you, but there is more and more proof every day that sexual orientation is genetic, like eye color or hair color. I also despise when homophobes such as yourself think that all gay men do is go out and try and fuck every guy they see. In my experience, its straight men who hit on and cat call every woman they see and generally behave like neanderthalls. I don't know why I am even wasting my time with a close minded right-wing facist like you. People fear what they don't understand and you are a PRIME fucking example of that.
The only problem with the sexual orientation being genetic is... (theoretically) it could not be passed on.


Say it is a trait just like hair or eye color... even if it is recessesive, eventually since (theoretically) gays do not reproduce, it could not pass on.

[Uniden]

The only problem with the sexual orientation being genetic is... (theoretically) it could not be passed on.


Say it is a trait just like hair or eye color... even if it is recessesive, eventually since (theoretically) gays do not reproduce, it could not pass on.


Tons of gays reproduce. Haha, my mom's cousin's husband had a kid, and then he realized he was gay. Now I'll see if the boy turns gay.

[prayerforazazelandme]

You've gotta' be fucking kidding me...I thought I was original and came up with that first. :(



Yo man, I honestly don't like you at all. :banana:


honestly....its the internet...and i dont even cayur.

[Shawn]

Tons of gays reproduce. Haha, my mom's cousin's husband had a kid, and then he realized he was gay. Now I'll see if the boy turns gay.
(theoretically)


I wouldn't think enough gays would reproduce to where it would make a difference other than a once in a rare while coming across one. Especially since most the time kids figure this out about themselves sometime between 13-19.

[prayerforazazelandme]

Shawn definitly proved that genetic theory out the window.

[Shawn]

Shawn definitly proved that genetic theory out the window.
sarcasm?


I wasn't saying that my logic was flaw proof. Obviously it does happen, but I wouldn't think it would make big enough of a difference.

[Obswalq]

honestly....its the internet...and i dont even cayur.

lol even though I'm j/k

You're one of my favorite posters on here minus the 9/11 shit. <333

[prayerforazazelandme]

lol even though I'm j/k

You're one of my favorite posters on here minus the 9/11 shit. <333

haha, yeah right......besides i think your posts are good to, you have good timing....(make sense)

I wouldn't If I were you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSfBzLuL3eY)

[prayerforazazelandme]

sarcasm?


I wasn't saying that my logic was flaw proof. Obviously it does happen, but I wouldn't think it would make big enough of a difference.

nope, totally serious. genetic = passed on by means of genes.

I'm not homophobic in any shape way or form, although I do despise flaunting and fake wispy accents, but homosexuality just seems to be Mother Natures answer to human overpopulation. Cool.

[Shawn]

nope, totally serious. genetic = passed on by means of genes.

I'm not homophobic in any shape way or form, although I do despise flaunting and fake wispy accents, but homosexuality just seems to be Mother Natures answer to human overpopulation. Cool.
Same here. Being gay and being a fag are different. You don't have to automatically get a lisp and a limp wrist just because you came out of the closet.

[Sudden Intoxication]

lol i remember someone drew a limp wrist in the paint applet thing and everyone was liek "LOL"

[nick]

Why do we call people who hate gays homophobes?

[teh Mazn]

i can't believe some of the people on this forum. "liberal" is not necessarily a political term. none of the other statements even deserve a rebuttal.

[Shawn]

what the fuck are you even talking about?


do you ever actually listen to yourself when you think of things to say?

[jacob shock]

im with shawn on this 100%

[Sudden Intoxication]

yea wtf

how is being homo wrong or immoral

[teh Mazn]

what the fuck is wrong with what i said? all of this is opinion! there is no true right or wrong here! it's a ridiculous argument and it's not worth anyone's time, really.

[Shawn]

your last post didn't correspond to anything at all, and just didn't make sense?

[teh Mazn]

the liberal statement was not in context. big deal. why the fuck are you trying to argue with me?

[Shawn]

I'm not at all? I was pointing out your completely out of nowhere statement...

[Jotun]

Gay people don't bug me. Gay people who are conceited and cocky do...then again, that applies to anybody.

Honestly, people make too big a deal out of sexual preference..(I'm not talking about on this board. Homophobia is cool as fuck on here)...I can't believe George Bush tried as hard as he did to put an end to gay marriage...Like if 2 gay people getting married would put a huge dent in the economy or stop oil from coming to the US, lollll.

[teh Mazn]

yeah gay marriage should not be in any kind of law, or the forbidding of it. that doesn't necessarily mean i agree with it, but sexual preference has no place in any laws.

it shouldn't be decided by the government is what i mean.

[ten_second_infinity]

bust out the "flamethrowers"


haha

[Shawn]

yeah gay marriage should not be in any kind of law, or the forbidding of it. that doesn't necessarily mean i agree with it, but sexual preference has no place in any laws.

it shouldn't be decided by the government is what i mean.
nope. it should be decided by meatheads who can't use logic but just know

straight=good
gay = bad.

[teh Mazn]

you mean people with an opinion different than yours. yeah.

[Shawn]

you mean people with an opinion different than yours. yeah.
No, I mean that I've never heard a real logical argument opposing same sex anything.


edit: I take that back. The only logical argument that I can think of is that gays should not be married in a church. I support this 100% because if you are looking at marriage as a religious institution, then adopt one part of the religion(ex in christianity getting married is joining two souls, one man, one woman, into one in the eyes of god) while completley ignoring the rest of the religion.

I'm all for gay marriage by the state though.

[fatalerror]

In all honesty, I don't think Same Sex Marriage should be legalized. In the same notion, I don't think the scope of the government should include heterosexual marriage and therefore marriage in any form should not be part of the government's undertakings. The government should respect civil unions, regardless of sexual orientation, because it is a civic right. The gays will have equal rights and gay marriage won't be "legal."

Problem solved.

[Shawn]

In all honesty, I don't think Same Sex Marriage should be legalized. In the same notion, I don't think the scope of the government should include heterosexual marriage and therefore marriage in any form should not be part of the government's undertakings. The government should respect civil unions, regardless of sexual orientation, because it is a civic right. The gays will have equal rights and gay marriage won't be "legal."

Problem solved.
what he said.

[Heavy Number One]

I think the smn btbam board should be a thinktank and just solve all the world's problems.

[Incendius]

This thread is really fucking gay.

well duh it was made by a fag

[tck!]

In all honesty, I don't think Same Sex Marriage should be legalized. In the same notion, I don't think the scope of the government should include heterosexual marriage and therefore marriage in any form should not be part of the government's undertakings. The government should respect civil unions, regardless of sexual orientation, because it is a civic right. The gays will have equal rights and gay marriage won't be "legal."

Problem solved.


I've been saying that for years. +10

[!WaR]

We should have no rules or policies or moral ethics. Chaos should entomb the globe with it's icy grip.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight!

[Stradale13]

Jeez, I didn't mean for this to become a big argument. All I REALLY meant was I wish that the metal community had a different set of words for things that they think suck, rather than jumping straight to "that's gay" or he likes emo so he's a "faggot". There is a really good article about this in Sept issue of decibel about this very issue. And yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its just that being gay isn't a "belief" or a "life-style", you just are. Believe me, I did not choose to be a homo. I've paid for it physically and mentally for years. Its also not a "woe is me" thing. You don't have to like me or any gay folks for that matter. I also want to refine my statement about sexual orientation being genetic. I will conceed that environmental factors figure into the big picture as well. The research on this subject is finding more of a "genetic predisposition" rather than a specific "gay gene" meaning that there are certain common genetic traits in people with same-sex orientation but there is no one specific gene. Now that I've rambled on QUITE enough, I'm gonna go listen to Pig Destroyer and break things.

[tck!]

YOU GO HOMO!!

[yeah]

"i'm gonna go listen to pig destroyer and break things"......


thats the gayest thing that i've ever heard anyone say

[Shawn]

Jeez, I didn't mean for this to become a big argument. All I REALLY meant was I wish that the metal community had a different set of words for things that they think suck, rather than jumping straight to "that's gay" or he likes emo so he's a "faggot". There is a really good article about this in Sept issue of decibel about this very issue. And yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, its just that being gay isn't a "belief" or a "life-style", you just are. Believe me, I did not choose to be a homo. I've paid for it physically and mentally for years. Its also not a "woe is me" thing. You don't have to like me or any gay folks for that matter. I also want to refine my statement about sexual orientation being genetic. I will conceed that environmental factors figure into the big picture as well. The research on this subject is finding more of a "genetic predisposition" rather than a specific "gay gene" meaning that there are certain common genetic traits in people with same-sex orientation but there is no one specific gene. Now that I've rambled on QUITE enough, I'm gonna go listen to Pig Destroyer and break things.
Well.. considering that I did my psych research paper on this topic... you're actually wrong. You can find "research" to prove almost anything. Research shows absolutely no real, clear argument toward either side. It is easy to find very strong sounding "research" toward both sides of the argument. Having a genetic predisposition would still require some kind of trait to be passed on. Now maybe a chemical imbalance is possible, in which case it isn't 100% choice, nor 100% nature, but its the same old Nature vs Nurture argument. I can't remember who, but one of the neo-freudians had a very interesting theory on it, involving the freudian defense mechanisms, and how essentially people end up "tricking" themselves into being gay so to speak.

Personally I don't think that it is really possible for anyone to be born gay. I just dont' think it can happen, simply because it doesn't make sense naturally. The society and overall environment mixes with a lot of the traits that a person has, and causes things to happen.

[Sudden Intoxication]

a child who has siblings is many times more likely than an only child to turn out gay. fact

[tck!]

a child who has male siblings is many times more likely than an only child to turn out gay. fact

Get the facts right.

[Shawn]

a child who has siblings is many times more likely than an only child to turn out gay. fact
I've never heard that. Not doubting that its possible, though if it is possible, it could be a bit of a false correlation.

[Sudden Intoxication]

Get the facts right.

lol k ur rite

:limpwrist

[tck!]

I've never heard that. Not doubting that its possible, though if it is possible, it could be a bit of a false correlation.

It was in Newsweek a few issues back.

Apparantly the male fetus is more foriegn to the female body than the female fetus and so to compensate the male fetus has more estrogen added. If the same mom has more male children, the levels of estrogen are boosted higher and higher.


And Sudden Intoxication, don't be a fag cause you misquoted the article.

[Sudden Intoxication]

you're so gay dude, newsweek didn't come up with the data, i read it a long time ago somewhere else, i forget where

i don't get newsweek at home either

faggot

[tck!]

I never said they came up with it. I said it was in Newsweek.

Shut up. You misquoted. Deal with it.

[Sudden Intoxication]

????

i said you were right the first time you told me i missed the part about MALE siblings

[tck!]

It looked like you were being an ass. I misunderstood.

<3?

[Sudden Intoxication]

</3


faggot

[tck!]

:(

[Sudden Intoxication]

lol :emot-hug:

[tck!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkP9_qXe8M&NR

lol

[SculptorOfFlesh]

This thread is really fucking gay.

the pun of the week award goes to you

[BZM]

gimme one good reason this shit-tastic thread shouldn't be closed.

[Shawn]

gimme one good reason this shit-tastic thread shouldn't be closed.
because for once, it seems as though we came to a general agreement on one topic, and it didn't really turn into a bitchfest?

[tck!]

gimme one good reason this shit-tastic thread shouldn't be closed.

Cuz of what Shawn said.

[Shawn]

*high five*

[Stradale13]

Shawn, I would be interested in reading your paper. Can you email it to me if you still have it?

[Shawn]

Shawn, I would be interested in reading your paper. Can you email it to me if you still have it?
whenever I end up hooking up my old computer to transfer all my files (which I've been saying I was going to do for like 2 months now), I'll keep it in mind to transfer it.

Its on Freudian/neo-freudian psychology, zeroing in on homosexuality. Chances are, anyone who IS gay wouldn't like what freudian/neo-freudian psychologists have to say about it all. They basically say that its all your fault that you're gay, and that if you hadn't ignored your id so much you wouldn't have ended up gay, and that you're a disgrace to society.



its true.

[Stradale13]

I like to hear all sides of the story, especially when its an intelligent statement, not just mindless rantings.

[BZM]

stradale13 joins up with Paul Masvidal and Chalky in the "metal gays I respect" category, for not being a fucking reject.

[Jotun]

CHALKY is gay? 0_0

But yeah, this dude is cool.

[nick]

To bad all real pshycologists know that everything freud said was false and no one believes any of his statements

[Sudden Intoxication]

no one with at least half a brain anyway

[BZM]

truth.

[fatalerror]

Is Paul Masvidal really gay? It doesn't change my perception of him at all, he just would happen to be a really good guitarist that's gay.

[Shawn]

To bad all real pshycologists know that everything freud said was false and no one believes any of his statements
too bad thats not true. his stuff gets discredited a lot because it is based on no research, and in the early 1900s there was a huge shift in the field to behaviorism. Besides, the neo-freudians DO get credit, Freud's defense mechanisms get a LOT of credit, and realistically a lot of the things Freud talked about are hard to deny as true. People just don't like to give him credit for anything because they don't like to believe that Oedipus complex could possibly exist.

[tck!]

too bad thats not true. his stuff gets discredited a lot because it is based on no research, and in the early 1900s there was a huge shift in the field to behaviorism. Besides, the neo-freudians DO get credit, Freud's defense mechanisms get a LOT of credit, and realistically a lot of the things Freud talked about are hard to deny as true. People just don't like to give him credit for anything because they don't like to believe that Oedipus complex could possibly exist.


I think Freudist thought is simply a cop-out. If you blame your behavior on others and on things you can't control, you have a built in excuse.

[yeah]

anyone lookin forward to the MLB playoffs?

[Shawn]

I think Freudist thought is simply a cop-out. If you blame your behavior on others and on things you can't control, you have a built in excuse.
um... its not all blaming it on others/things you can't control? Not even close.

[Shawn]

stradale13 joins up with Paul Masvidal and Chalky in the "metal gays I respect" category, for not being a fucking reject.
wasn't schuldiner gay?

[tck!]

um... its not all blaming it on others/things you can't control? Not even close.

Psychodynamic.

Subconcious.

Shut up.

[Shawn]

Psychodynamic.

Subconcious.

Shut up.
Yeah but its not things you can't control. The Subconscious has so much to do with the things you repress/opress and the way that you handle yourself in situations. If anything thats the flaw of the psychodynamic theory, especially when it comes to the defense mechanisms, because he basically says you handled things poorly, thus it fucked up your subconscious, which then fucked upt he way you handled more things, which fucked up your subconscious more, and it turns into a chicken and the egg kind of thing.

[tck!]

But the Subconscious is where all you're unused idea's/past experiances go. And when/where they'll pop-up, you can't control.

My original statement was detailed enough. My b.

[BZM]

wasn't schuldiner gay?

no, but masvidal was. The philosopher of death metal that he refers to in the song of the same name is masvidal... NOT himself, as this is what everyone seems to have started refering to him as after he died. I bet he's rolling around in his grave about that, lol.

Reinert may be gay too.

[tck!]

no, but masvidal was.

He's dead?

[yeah]

i think a subway series would be great.

[Shawn]

But the Subconscious is where all you're unused idea's/past experiances go. And when/where they'll pop-up, you can't control.

My original statement was detailed enough. My b.
your ego controls when/where they pop up, except for like freudian slips.

[teh Mazn]

anyone lookin forward to the MLB playoffs?

NY mets FTW

[yeah]

NY mets FTW


exactly.

they are startin to piss me off tho. horrible slump goin into the playoffs and pedro got hurt.

[Stradale13]

Thanks, gents. You also have my respect.

[SculptorOfFlesh]

being gay is not normal. period. shut the fuck up about it already you fucking bleeding heart liberals.

if you chose to be gay, that's fine and dandy. i, however, believe it is very wrong.

:lol: Wow.

Fucking dumbasses these days... It's astounding. Bravo

^^^So you're saying being gay IS normal? If so, you're the fucking dumbass. Gays are not normal. And I believe it's very wrong as well, it's disgusting.

for some reason or other i decided to go back through this thread, i wonder how much people's idea of homosexuality has changed,, i would say mine have


The only problem with the sexual orientation being genetic is... (theoretically) it could not be passed on.


Say it is a trait just like hair or eye color... even if it is recessesive, eventually since (theoretically) gays do not reproduce, it could not pass on.

http://www.mun.ca/biology/scarr/Punnett_Square.JPG

we know that every characteristic in a human being is a result of 2 alleles (represented by letters p and q represented in the punnet square)

lets say p = straight and q = gay, but p is also the dominant allele, so even if a person has the gay allele they can still be straight because of the dominant p gene, the only instance in which a gay offspring is produced is when the genotype "pp" occurs, so yes the gay gene can be passed on

[Antæos]

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[tck!]

CHALKY is gay? 0_0

But yeah, this dude is cool.

Holy shit. I did not know that.

[teh Mazn]

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i laughed so fucking hard at this.

and sudden intox, i agree. my views have changed quite a bit and i think i've grown up a little since then. however, only like my first 2 posts in this thread pissed me off when i read them. i was like fuck dude, did i really write that?

[SculptorOfFlesh]

i laughed so fucking hard at this.

and sudden intox, i agree. my views have changed quite a bit and i think i've grown up a little since then. however, only like my first 2 posts in this thread pissed me off when i read them. i was like fuck dude, did i really write that?

my name is sculptorofflesh

oh and chalky is gay? WTF i did not know that, but w/e he has one of the most amazing DM voices ever heard

[Supreme]

sculptorofflesh, sudden intoxication. i'm pretty sure everyone mixes you two up.

[teh Mazn]

yeah dude they're spelled exactly the same.

[Jotun]

^^^So you're saying being gay IS normal? If so, you're the fucking dumbass. Gays are not normal. And I believe it's very wrong as well, it's disgusting.

lol, I don't remember this post. Hopefully your house gets robbed again.

SPARK ANUTHER ARGUMENT LOZL

[SculptorOfFlesh]

i seriously hope that deathface has changed his mind, leading scientists believe homosexuality can be attributed to genes,

i hate to be all touchy but ryan that was way outta line

[Jotun]

I'm aware, but it's no worse than having a fervent distaste of homosexuals when their actions/beliefs have absolutely NO effect on you.

[teh Mazn]

but deathface's beliefs have absolutely NO impact on you. hypocrite much?

[Heavy Number One]

leading scientists

THE SCIENTISTS THAT LEAD

[Jotun]

but deathface's beliefs have absolutely NO impact on you. hypocrite much?

How could you not notice the difference between the two? He has negative feelings towards people who are doing absolutely nothing wrong with regards to his life...I have negative feelings toward him for doing that. If you want to play the definition of "hypocrite" word by word, then you're right. But that's hardly logical in this situation.

[teh Mazn]

whatever dude. it's pretty black and white but i'm not gonna argue about it because the post i already made is enough to prove my pizzoint.

[adrianwar]

whatever dude. it's pretty black and white but i'm not gonna argue about it because the post i already made is enough to prove my pizzoint.

hes saying that he has negative feelings for deathface because he had them first. if that guy didnt have negative feelings towards homos, ryan wouldnt have negative feelings towards him. ryan wants peace and equality on earth (with homos at least), so he feels he has to defend them (homos), or at the very least change the other guys opinions about homosexuality as to promote peace and equality. a world with no peace and equality would have an impact on ryan, because thats the type of world he wants to live in. and why shouldnt he be allowed the right to want to live in that type of world? i sure as hell would. not because im a homo lol, but because i like peace. and yes, i feel that homosexuality is wrong and its not something im interested in, but im not going to treat these people any less because of it.

so maybe he is a hypocrite, but it is with good intentions. or maybe it isnt with good intentions. maybe he has negative feelings for that guy just because of the fact that he disagrees with him and not because of the underlying issues (keeping peace and equality). going against another mans opinions is like an insult to that man if he has low tolerance(which would really make ryan a hypocrite lol, for having negative feelings towards deathface for no reason other than the fact that he doesnt believe what ryan does.)

[Jotun]

ryan wants peace and equality on earth

Haha you're right...and I'd lay down some ideas of spirituality but I won't because it'd end up with me being called a faggot (coincidentally)...and I'm inebriated and playing some thrashtacular riffs.

[adrianwar]

i edited that post so much lol

[teh Mazn]

but who defines peace? what is peace? it doesn't matter how you look at it or what the intentions are, ryan is preaching a double standard in this case. gay, straight, doesn't matter. it doesn't matter what ryan's intentions are either - hate=hate. i mean, if you want to bring up a real world issue like the war in iraq, you can say that IF WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD US IS TRUE, we went into iraq with good intentions. there may be tons of killing, but a few deaths is worth the ultimate goal that the US is trying to achieve, which is freedom in iraq.

the thing is, we don't know if being gay is right or wrong. hell we don't know if being straight is right or wrong. these are imaginary human laws. while you say that if deathface didn't hate gay people then ryan wouldn't hate deathface, i could just as easily say that if matthew weren't gay then deathface wouldn't hate him. it's all about perpective and none of this shit fucking matters. my point still stands.

*insert quote from some philosopher that says fighting for peace is a paradox*

[Reverend Ian]

^_^











o_O






>:[

[Antæos]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6396/faggotsbj8.png

Seriously, guys. Teh Mazn, if you can take your head out of the old testament for a few seconds and join the discussion, can you argue ANY reason to hate people because they're gay? You can hate them by being the stereotypical flamboyant, unintelligent, self-centered, narcissistic gay, but those are traits of character, not of sexuality.

By all means hate the stereotypical gays, those stupid fuckers have it coming, but hate them because they're fucking morons and not because they're gay.

[Deathface]

First of all, I don't hate anyone. I think homosexuality is wrong. Plain, and fucking simple. I don't have any problems with the actual people who are gay, I get along just fine with them and I can almost gurantee I know more of them than most people on this board considering I work in the healthcare buisness where 50% of the dudes here are gay. I stand by my post, which was basically just saying that being gay is not normal and that it's gross. My opinion.

[SculptorOfFlesh]

gross it may be (to a heterosexual male), but not normal or natural is a different story

[Supreme]

hey guys,

smoke weed.

[Reverend Ian]

First of all, I don't hate anyone. I think homosexuality is wrong. Plain, and fucking simple. I don't have any problems with the actual people who are gay, I get along just fine with them and I can almost gurantee I know more of them than most people on this board considering I work in the healthcare buisness where 50% of the dudes here are gay. I stand by my post, which was basically just saying that being gay is not normal and that it's gross. My opinion.

You sound like a 12 year old. Hoorrayyy concervative christian society.

[Deathface]

You sound like a 12 year old. Hoorrayyy CONSERVATIVE christian society.

How the fuck do I sound like a 12 year old? Eat dicks.

[Reverend Ian]

Using "gross" as an adjective in defense of your opinion. What the fuck do you know whats normal and whats not.

[Deathface]

Using "gross" as an adjective in defense of your opinion.

Give me a fucking break. Because I used the word "gross" to defend my opinion? I used a lot more than one fucking word to defend my opinion dipshit.


What the fuck do you know whats normal and whats not.

Because normality is in the eye of the beholder. I know what's normal to me, and that's all that matters.

[Reverend Ian]

snore. fuck along, bigot.

[Antæos]

What I don't understand is why the sexuality itself is aggravating enough to some people to justify hating certain people.

Have any of you ever had gay sex forced upon you? If so, I could understand it. But I highly fucking doubt it.

(and if you did, haha enjoy your aids fag)

[Deathface]

Bigot? o u thilly thauthage <3

[Stradale13]

ENOUGH!

I didn't choose to be gay, I was raised in a Christian family with strong values, and I was given a good set of values myself. Believe me, you cannot choose to be gay, and if I had a choice, I would choose NOT to. People are allowed to have their opinions, but the truth NO ONE knows exactly how sexual orientation is determined. Historically, we've seen many diseases go from making someone a social outcast to being determined that it was purely a physiological defect, having nothing to do with environment or personality. I am reserving judgment on sexual orientation until there is definitive proof of exactly how it is decided. Until then, I can only live my life the way it was given to me.

[parabola5353]

what is it about gays that people hate? i can't really understand why someone would hate another just because of their sexual orientation. i mean, if it's how they are i don't see how anyone should get butt hurt ( no pun intended) about it.

[Jotun]

but who defines peace? what is peace? it doesn't matter how you look at it or what the intentions are, ryan is preaching a double standard in this case. gay, straight, doesn't matter. it doesn't matter what ryan's intentions are either - hate=hate. i mean, if you want to bring up a real world issue like the war in iraq, you can say that IF WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TOLD US IS TRUE, we went into iraq with good intentions. there may be tons of killing, but a few deaths is worth the ultimate goal that the US is trying to achieve, which is freedom in iraq.

the thing is, we don't know if being gay is right or wrong. hell we don't know if being straight is right or wrong. these are imaginary human laws. while you say that if deathface didn't hate gay people then ryan wouldn't hate deathface, i could just as easily say that if matthew weren't gay then deathface wouldn't hate him. it's all about perpective and none of this shit fucking matters. my point still stands.

*insert quote from some philosopher that says fighting for peace is a paradox*

Well in this case, peace involves some level of spiritual enlightenment at which in the instance of seeing two gay people holding hands or kissing, the feeling of being repulsed or disgusted doesn't even enter the psyche...lol, good enough? It's apparent that that is what people like you and deathface feel when seeing things like that. The world can't be a stable place as long as shit like that is happening...and the situations are endless. And everybody does this in one form or another, but I've stated many times that I my views of a better world are much less realist than dreamer-ist...but they're not impossible.

And you're right...what is normal? Well what I'm saying is that in this case, why the fuck does it matter what's normal? Two people are sharing one of the most deep-seeded of emotions with each other: love. Everybody wants love. Love is the most simple basis on which peace is achieved. Do I look like a nutjob yet?

[adrianwar]

^ i agree with ryan

also, what defines normal or "good" to me are things that help people live a happy and meaningful life. now you can say, "hitler killed a bunch of people and he was probably happy that he did that", and you'd be right. not everything that someone does to make them happy or give them pleasure is going to be good by most peoples definition of what good is.

however, i think its realistic to realize that there are a set of principles/ideas/morals that have been passed down since humans began to form ideas about these things. whether these things are ingrained into our brains through evolution or by being passed down through religion/tradition is up for debate, but i think most people would agree that there are certain things that people know are good and things people know are bad. and its constantly changing as well. what the majority of people think is good and the majority of people think is bad is always changing with every age.

the reason people get upset or angry when something seems bad/immoral/wrong to them is because they fear change. lets use homosexuals for example. they dont like homos because it goes against what they were raised to believe or what is ingrained into their brain through evolutio or both, and that creates these negative feelings. and the people who tolerate it, support it, or practice it themselves are seen as bad people as well (depending on how bad you think it is).

the reason they get negative feelings about homosexuality is for the same reason i explained earlier for ryan getting upset at deathface. they dont want to see their world turn into one where homosexuals are accepted and equal with everyone else. and there are a lot of reasons for this, but im done typing lol.

[Antæos]

and there are a lot of reasons for this.

Wrong, there is one reason.

Deathface and Mason both want an epic reaming.

[adrianwar]

haha

[Reverend Ian]

however, i think its realistic to realize that there are a set of principles/ideas/morals that have been passed down since humans began to form ideas about these things.
aka the old testement, a tabloid rambling of fear, hatred and misery

[Antæos]

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[Deathface]

I really can't believe the shit that has been posted on these last few pages. I mean, it's quite fucking hilarious actually. On a board, where the primary insults are to call someone/something gay or faggot/faggotry I'm having to explain why I think homosexuality is wrong and why I don't find it to be "normal". Oh and I don't want to see my world turn into one where homosexuals are accepted? Take a look around, turn on the goddamn TV. Homosexuals ARE accepted and equal, and guess what? I don't give an unholy fuck. Makes no difference to me at all because I simply do not care what other people do or who they decide to fuck. My personal belief is that homosexuality is wrong but I'm not going to sit here and judge a actual person based only on their sexual preference.

[Antæos]

So... you... want buttsex? Does not compute

[parabola5353]

i want to fuck deathface in his soft, supple ass.

[Deathface]

You fags :).

[Stradale13]

I really think that arguing over this subject is pretty pointless.

2000 years ago, lepers had about the same social status as gays, until it was discovered that it wasn't a "social" disease.

When scientists finally give us an answer about sexual orientation, then we can argue.

[Antæos]

What the hell does that mean? You're open to the notion of hating people based solely on sexuality or what? :P

[Stradale13]

No butt head.

I mean that when we know definitively what makes people homosexual, then when can argue about its morality and normalcy.

You're a big butt head titbags.

[Reverend Ian]

this thread needs a guitar solo

[Jotun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTX3CaTWbkM

[Antæos]

No butt head.

I mean that when we know definitively what makes people homosexual, then when can argue about its morality and normalcy.

You're a big butt head titbags.

I've defended 'the gay' throughout the thread and now I end up arguing their legitimacy with you. That's funny to me.

[skin_blanketed]

It's funny to read the first couple pages of this thread and see how people treated Matt before they learned he brings t3h muzacal pwnage.

[Stradale13]

I've defended 'the gay' throughout the thread and now I end up arguing their legitimacy with you. That's funny to me.

buttesecks plz kthxbi

[Antæos]

bi

HARDLY!

:emot-LOL: :emot-LOL: :emot-LOL: :emot-LOL:

[Stradale13]

HARDLY!

:emot-LOL: :emot-LOL: :emot-LOL: :emot-LOL:

If you really love me buy me this

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[Heavy Number One]

This thread...is gay.

[Reverend Ian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTX3CaTWbkM

perfect. :emot-LOL:

[SculptorOfFlesh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTX3CaTWbkM

hahaha nice

[Reverend Ian]

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[Antæos]

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[preech]

I mean that when we know definitively what makes people homosexual, then when can argue about its morality and normalcy.

its a fucking choice...just as i choose to be straight...its hilarious that people think you can be born gay.....its not a disease/birth defect. its a lifestyle choice. i think everyone is pantsexual till they decide what they like.:emot-roll

[tremulant25]

its a fucking choice...just as i choose to be straight...its hilarious that people think you can be born gay.....its not a disease/birth defect. its a lifestyle choice. i think everyone is pantsexual till they decide what they like.:emot-roll

How can you honestly say it's a lifestyle choice? If it was, someone had to start it or know about it. You could be sheltered your whole life and not even know what gay means, and be gay. It's not like you just suddenly go: "I think I'll be gay".

[SculptorOfFlesh]

im with iain here, plus there is scientific evidence to back up his claim

Deathface why do think homosexuality is wrong? is it because your wife might have cheated on you with another girl? personally i wouldn't have a problem with it, or your wife used to actually have sexual relationships with a women? i can't find the thread but im sure some of the members here remember that

[Stradale13]

its a fucking choice...just as i choose to be straight...its hilarious that people think you can be born gay.....its not a disease/birth defect. its a lifestyle choice. i think everyone is pantsexual till they decide what they like.:emot-roll

While the evidence isn't conclusive either way, this type of statement REALLY pisses me off. Unless it happens on a completely subconscious level, I promise you I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY. IT NEARLY KILLED ME. Why would I "choose" to go through that kind of pain? Did you know I was beaten in college by about 10 frat guys because I hooked up with one of their brothers and they found out? (He came on to me, and then later when they found out, he accused me of rape. I was lucky there were campus police nearby.)

The truth is NO ONE, NOT ANYONE, KNOWS FOR SURE WHY PEOPLE ARE GAY OR NOT.

Sorry preech, I usually am with you on your opinions, but I have to take a strong stance on this one.

[SculptorOfFlesh]

Why would I "choose" to go through that kind of pain? Did you know I was beaten in college by about 10 frat guys because I hooked up with one of their brothers and they found out?


its when i hear this i wish i could believe in a god (not the Abrahamic one), so that every one truly reaps what the sow

[parabola5353]

While the evidence isn't conclusive either way, this type of statement REALLY pisses me off. Unless it happens on a completely subconscious level, I promise you I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY. IT NEARLY KILLED ME. Why would I "choose" to go through that kind of pain? Did you know I was beaten in college by about 10 frat guys because I hooked up with one of their brothers and they found out? (He came on to me, and then later when they found out, he accused me of rape. I was lucky there were campus police nearby.)

The truth is NO ONE, NOT ANYONE, KNOWS FOR SURE WHY PEOPLE ARE GAY OR NOT.

Sorry preech, I usually am with you on your opinions, but I have to take a strong stance on this one.



ugh. i don't understand why someone would just kick your ass cause your gay, and the douche who came on to you probably got cold feet and decided that it was you who did it to him. god damnit, that reminds me of the scene in boogie nights. some people are just straight up assholes.

[teh Mazn]

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Seriously, guys. Teh Mazn, if you can take your head out of the old testament for a few seconds and join the discussion, can you argue ANY reason to hate people because they're gay? You can hate them by being the stereotypical flamboyant, unintelligent, self-centered, narcissistic gay, but those are traits of character, not of sexuality.

By all means hate the stereotypical gays, those stupid fuckers have it coming, but hate them because they're fucking morons and not because they're gay.

i think it's so fucking funny that you dumbasses always use the same "cut down" on me, that being some notion that i'm some bible hugging faggot, when in actuality i'm not even a practicing christian. i don't hate people because they're gay and although i may have said something of the sort A YEAR AGO, those comments do not reflect my feelings at the present moment. i have absolutely no problem with gay people or homosexuality in general. i used to, but i grew out of that phase and realized that there's more to life than caring what the fuck other people do with their lives.

another thing, even if i didn't like gay people for the simple fact that they're gay, who the fuck's business is that but mine? who are you to tell me that what i believe is wrong? that's just as fucked up as me hating gay people in the first place (which i don't). you're all such hypocrites it's not even funny.

[Stradale13]

i think it's so fucking funny that you dumbasses always use the same "cut down" on me, that being some notion that i'm some bible hugging faggot, when in actuality i'm not even a practicing christian. i don't hate people because they're gay and although i may have said something of the sort A YEAR AGO, those comments do not reflect my feelings at the present moment. i have absolutely no problem with gay people or homosexuality in general. i used to, but i grew out of that phase and realized that there's more to life than caring what the fuck other people do with their lives.

another thing, even if i didn't like gay people for the simple fact that they're gay, who the fuck's business is that but mine? who are you to tell me that what i believe is wrong? that's just as fucked up as me hating gay people in the first place (which i don't). you're all such hypocrites it's not even funny.

Mason, I hope you're not lumping with some of these other folks. I know you're not a hick, quite the opposite, (well stoner for sure!) and I don't have a problem with any of your statements.

My goal around here was to at least make people question their knowledge and perception of what a homosexual male is like, and if I got one person to be more open minded, then I'm happy with that!

[teh Mazn]

no way dude. my whole point was that people on this forum think they know me for some damn reason - just from reading a few posts of mine. NONE of these kids have ever IM'd me to actually ask me what i really think, they just personally attack me every chance they get.

Mason, I hope you're not lumping with some of these other folks.
i'm not sure what you mean by that. haha.

[tremulant25]

i love you all

[parabola5353]

i love you all

i love the way you talk about shoes. it get's my cock hard.

[tremulant25]

i love the way you talk about shoes. it get's my cock hard.

me toooo

[parabola5353]

iain i am in love with your eyes.

[teh Mazn]

dude, seriously. it's not funny.

[parabola5353]

dude seriously, i'm serious.

[SculptorOfFlesh]

just shut the fuck up you faggot, this would be a perfect time for savior to return good god, sometimes you can be a real big fucking troll

[Jotun]

When scientists finally give us an answer about sexual orientation, then we can argue.

How do you explain something like that, though? How can somebody's preferring neutral colors over primary colors be explained? Or apples over oranges?

It's a head-scratcher.

[Stradale13]

How do you explain something like that, though? How can somebody's preferring neutral colors over primary colors be explained? Or apples over oranges?

It's a head-scratcher.

I think all those types of questions are linked to the same types of answers.

And that's my point Ryzzle. Why argue over something when not all the facts are present.

[parabola5353]

i'm sure over time, gays will be more accepted, but it will just take time i guess.

[Jotun]

I think all those types of questions are linked to the same types of answers.

And that's my point Ryzzle. Why argue over something when not all the facts are present.

Well, I personally was never really arguing what the causes of homosexuality are or anything like that...just that people need to be more open to things you don't see every day.

[preech]

While the evidence isn't conclusive either way, this type of statement REALLY pisses me off. Unless it happens on a completely subconscious level, I promise you I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY. IT NEARLY KILLED ME. Why would I "choose" to go through that kind of pain? Did you know I was beaten in college by about 10 frat guys because I hooked up with one of their brothers and they found out? (He came on to me, and then later when they found out, he accused me of rape. I was lucky there were campus police nearby.)

The truth is NO ONE, NOT ANYONE, KNOWS FOR SURE WHY PEOPLE ARE GAY OR NOT.

Sorry preech, I usually am with you on your opinions, but I have to take a strong stance on this one.dude....its easy for me to think its a choice...because i see nothing wrong with it...i'm sorry you felt bad for being gay but i could care less either way. yeah people are going to be dicks and react terribly to things they dont understand.maybe i didnt word my statement right...what i meant by statement was you either like girls or guys..it is not predetermined such as a disease(and if people keep looking at it like it was, its going to get even worse.). when i was a kid i didnt worry about whether i liked girls or guys but i felt attracted to girls.(feelings are not predetermined) overall i probably dont understand a lot of what it is to be Gay, but i wasn't saying it like "oh i think i'll like guys" because that is just stupid... and tremulant...you are a moron who cannot think for himself and is a fucking follower...you will go nowhere in life and you will probably kill yourself when you finally realize that you would have made a better woman than a man.........:emot-look :emot-blin


Stradale, sorry if i offended you at all.

[Stradale13]

Thanks for clarifying, Preech. I see where you're coming from.

Yous guys are smarter than you give yourselves credit for.

[Antæos]

i think it's so fucking funny that you dumbasses always use the same "cut down" on me, that being some notion that i'm some bible hugging faggot, when in actuality i'm not even a practicing christian.

Alright, chill, you bible-hugging faggot.

those comments do not reflect my feelings at the present moment.

So... you're gay?