What's everyone got against straight edge?

[Secreted Flesh]

Just wondering what a lot of you here have against straight edge. I am straight edge but its not like im some two steppin' try to kick anyone's ass who isn't fasioncore only listen to hardcore/metalcore shmuck, and neither is every straight edge person.

[deathmetaljohn]

making a decision for yourself to better your life is ok i have no problem with that, the problem i personally have with ALOT of straight edge people is the fact that they look down on everyone and act all holier then thou and shit instead of just living their life the way they want to, and allowing me to live life the way i want to...and yes the two stepping fashioncore hardcore/metalcore is really fuckin annoying

[Of Divine Nature]

making a decision for yourself to better your life is ok i have no problem with that, the problem i personally have with ALOT of straight edge people is the fact that they look down on everyone and act all holier then thou and shit instead of just living their life the way they want to, and allowing me to live life the way i want to...and yes the two stepping fashioncore hardcore/metalcore is really fuckin annoying

what he said pretty much.

[The Blenderfist]

Just wondering what a lot of you here have against straight edge. I am straight edge but its not like im some two steppin' try to kick anyone's ass who isn't fasioncore only listen to hardcore/metalcore shmuck, and neither is every straight edge person.
ok first off if you are refering to the video posted from the othe rnight in baltimore, they said NOTHING about straight edge.

2nd i dotn have anything against straight edge people, alot of my friends ar eedge, and its a choice they made and i respect it, same way they respect the fact that i smoke weed and drink

[Adagio]

The beatdown.

[Secreted Flesh]

oh sorry guys, i re read my post and it came out like i was attacking everyone, anyway to the blenderfist, im not neccesarly refering to the video, just the thread that it was on. Im sure cattle decap has to respect some of the straight edge bands and fans because many of them push out vegetarinism like they do.

[Coma]

If you advertise your life style (whether it's that you're sXe, gay, vegan, whatever), I hope you're hit buy a truck. Get some self esteem, stop trying to get attention, and shut the fuck up.

[Secreted Flesh]

Thats pretty close to saying if you wear a cattle decapitation shirt, you should get hit by a truck.

[deathmetaljohn]

i agree with crucified coma live your life how u want, dont wear it on ur sleave and make it ur identity

[ChunkBlower]

Thats pretty close to saying if you wear a cattle decapitation shirt, you should get hit by a truck.

I sorta disagree,cuz your not trying to expose your lifestyle,your just supporting a band that you like,by buying and wearing their shirt :-)

[Bukkake Tsunami]

straight edge is fucking stupid, thats my problem with it. just dont do drugs. why do you have to come up with a fucking name for your lifestyle?

[Death_]

straight edge is fucking stupid, thats my problem with it. just dont do drugs. why do you have to come up with a fucking name for your lifestyle?

[Cannibalistic_Horror]

straight edge is fucking stupid, thats my problem with it. just dont do drugs. why do you have to come up with a fucking name for your lifestyle?
Because fashioncore kids are bored and want something to do with their time to look intelligent.

[SculptedCold]

A little toke or drink now and again won't destroy your life. And it's fun. More fun than acting like a twat.

[SculptorOfFlesh]

many of these straight edge kids calim to "do it for themselves"

but a shirt/bandan/hands with X's drawn on them would tell you otherwise

[Lord_Octopus]

I don't do drugs or drink or fuck around. Am I straight-edge?

No.. I just don't do drugs or drink or fuck around. Fuck you Long Island. I will eat your "scene" and then uppercut each and every one of your taints.

[deathmetaljohn]

I don't do drugs or drink or fuck around. Am I straight-edge?

No.. I just don't do drugs or drink or fuck around. Fuck you Long Island. I will eat your "scene" and then uppercut each and every one of your taints.

exactly, your not a part of the "movement" whatever in the fuck that is

[EXHUMEtheDEAD]

Its amazing... none of you know anything behind what Straight Edge actually is... there is more to it than no drugs and no liqour...

Straight Edge is the idea of living your life clean of things that hurt it... drugs of any kind, including cafinated drinks and even tylonal, no liqour and no casual sex...
Its also about standing up for what you believe in and living a life of love for your family and your friends...

The basic ideals for Straight Edge came from the Minor Threat song "Straghit Edge"...
Well before being mallcore was cool...

The problem with SXE(like all systems of belief), is that radical groups began to pop up... mostly in crews(the kids who like to fight all the time, an ideal that does not come from beig edge, but from being a macho dick head) and, much like Islamic Extemists and Evagelist Christians, brought a baiased view of the life style...
These Hardcore gangs(24 crew, FSU, etc.) are a plauge, infecting all the local Hardcore scenes woth thier incredible violence and mostly non-Edge behavior(they like to break rules, such as "smoking is okay", or "casual sex is fine") and they spread the virus of Hardcore dancing(which is something that did not exist during the hieght of 80s Hardcore), which was basically a way for crew kids to get away with violence and pass it off as Moshing...

Edge's image has also been damaged by mallcore fags who like to wear X's, or have them in their screen names, or whatever, even though they dont know what it means,
or say they are edge to sound tough...

Before you judge something, anything, do a bit of research...(I am NOT edge, but I actually looked this stuff up before I judged it)

[Larry David]

Its amazing... none of you know anything behind what Straight Edge actually is... there is more to it than no drugs and no liqour...

Straight Edge is the idea of living your life clean of things that hurt it... drugs of any kind, including cafinated drinks and even tylonal, no liqour and no casual sex...
Its also about standing up for what you believe in and living a life of love for your family and your friends...

The basic ideals for Straight Edge came from the Minor Threat song "Straghit Edge"...
Well before being mallcore was cool...

The problem with SXE(like all systems of belief), is that radical groups began to pop up... mostly in crews(the kids who like to fight all the time, an ideal that does not come from beig edge, but from being a macho dick head) and, much like Islamic Extemists and Evagelist Christians, brought a baiased view of the life style...
These Hardcore gangs(24 crew, FSU, etc.) are a plauge, infecting all the local Hardcore scenes woth thier incredible violence and mostly non-Edge behavior(they like to break rules, such as "smoking is okay", or "casual sex is fine") and they spread the virus of Hardcore dancing(which is something that did not exist during the hieght of 80s Hardcore), which was basically a way for crew kids to get away with violence and pass it off as Moshing...

Edge's image has also been damaged by mallcore fags who like to wear X's, or have them in their screen names, or whatever, even though they dont know what it means,
or say they are edge to sound tough...

Before you judge something, anything, do a bit of research...(I am NOT edge, but I actually looked this stuff up before I judged it)
you're fuckin stupid. straight edge was retarded from day one. anyone who has to justify what they do by labeling themselves with two words is a fuckin ignoramus and anyone who defends that justification is an even bigger one. for the record, i dont drink, do drugs, have premiscuous sex, etc and i can still see straightedge is just a farse.

[EXHUMEtheDEAD]

you're fuckin stupid. straight edge was retarded from day one. anyone who has to justify what they do by labeling themselves with two words is a fuckin ignoramus and anyone who defends that justification is an even bigger one. for the record, i dont drink, do drugs, have premiscuous sex, etc and i can still see straightedge is just a farse.


Some people feel so strongly about their own convictions, they want to show the world what their about... it helps them cope, and helps them find people who share similar ideals(nothing wrong with that)... and keep people who are not what they are about away(I think this is a little wrong, but its working, obviously)...

I will defend almost anyones ideals, especially from uneducated arguments...

I agree with a previous post that wearing a band t-shirt is very similar... in fact, I see it as the same thing...

[Larry David]

Some people feel so strongly about their own convictions, they want to show the world what their about... it helps them cope, and helps them find people who share similar ideals(nothing wrong with that)... and keep people who are not what they are about away(I think this is a little wrong, but its working, obviously)...

I will defend almost anyones ideals, especially from uneducated arguments...

I agree with a previous post that wearing a band t-shirt is very similar... in fact, I see it as the same thing...
well, with the way you're looking at it, yeah, its the same thing, but i look at it differently. wearing a shirt of a band you like or a sports team, tv show, etc is simply showing people what you like. wearing a straightedge shirt is advertizing your lifestyle, which is pretentous, arrogant and unneccesary. no one gives a fuck about anyone's lifestyle. if you did, you'd confront them straight up. same goes for drug users as well. if i saw someone with beer bottles or something drawn on their hand, id think they were a complete faggot.

bottom line: i dont see any point in advertizing your lifestyle to people. i dont see any point in describing yourself with two simple words. maybe its just me, but i think we're all way more unique than two words will ever say.

[DisciplineOfRevenge]

I'd be straight edge if I weren't so fucked up right now.

[Lord_Octopus]

You know, you can be clean and lead a healthy lifestyle while caring for your loved ones without being assimilated into a mob rule-esque community of retards.

Once again, fuck Long Island. Ian Mackaye would be ashamed to know all the bullshit he's caused.

[Lord_Octopus]

Some people feel so strongly about their own convictions, they want to show the world what their about... it helps them cope, and helps them find people who share similar ideals(nothing wrong with that)... and keep people who are not what they are about away(I think this is a little wrong, but its working, obviously)...

I will defend almost anyones ideals, especially from uneducated arguments...

I agree with a previous post that wearing a band t-shirt is very similar... in fact, I see it as the same thing...


God No. I will wear a Sheryl Crow shirt and you can all die trying to figure out whether I like her or not.

One's a fucking raggedy article of clothing, the other's a blatant advertisement of a superiority complex.

[Cannibalistic_Horror]

Some people feel so strongly about their own convictions, they want to show the world what their about... it helps them cope, and helps them find people who share similar ideals(nothing wrong with that)... and keep people who are not what they are about away(I think this is a little wrong, but its working, obviously)...

I will defend almost anyones ideals, especially from uneducated arguments...

I agree with a previous post that wearing a band t-shirt is very similar... in fact, I see it as the same thing...
Look, if they need some stupid lifestyle based upon a song by Minor Threat to cope with the world, then they are fucking morons. If they really need to follow this sought of lifestyle and act superior to people to "cope", then they clearly are not "coping" with the world because if they were they would not need to act as if they are chosen by some divine being. And so what if it helps them find people who share similar ideals? Paedophile chatrooms helps sick fucks from finding people with similar ideals, yet is that right?

You say some of the arguments here are uneducated. Well fuck you too then. Many of those who have been criticising straight edge actually do appear to have some knowledge of what it is all about. It is just that you do not appear to appreciate them disliking them and calling their arguments uneducated. That is fucking retarded, almost as retarded as calling someone's arguments about birth control uneducated simply because they do not agree with you.

And how the fuck is wearing a band shirt the same thing as going around with a fucking x drawn on your arm and dressing like these straight edge faggots? By wearing a band shirt all you are doing is showing that you like a band. It does not mean you follow the lifestyle associated with the stereotypical metalhead or shit like that. It just means you like a band or even just the shirt. Other than that, it is meaningless. However, going around with a baseball cap, bandana, a x on each hand and converse shoes does give a big clue as to what lifestyle you follow and does advertise it a hell of a lot.

[Bukkake Tsunami]

Its amazing... none of you know anything behind what Straight Edge actually is... there is more to it than no drugs and no liqour...

Straight Edge is the idea of living your life clean of things that hurt it... drugs of any kind, including cafinated drinks and even tylonal, no liqour and no casual sex...
Its also about standing up for what you believe in and living a life of love for your family and your friends...

The basic ideals for Straight Edge came from the Minor Threat song "Straghit Edge"...
Well before being mallcore was cool...

The problem with SXE(like all systems of belief), is that radical groups began to pop up... mostly in crews(the kids who like to fight all the time, an ideal that does not come from beig edge, but from being a macho dick head) and, much like Islamic Extemists and Evagelist Christians, brought a baiased view of the life style...
These Hardcore gangs(24 crew, FSU, etc.) are a plauge, infecting all the local Hardcore scenes woth thier incredible violence and mostly non-Edge behavior(they like to break rules, such as "smoking is okay", or "casual sex is fine") and they spread the virus of Hardcore dancing(which is something that did not exist during the hieght of 80s Hardcore), which was basically a way for crew kids to get away with violence and pass it off as Moshing...

Edge's image has also been damaged by mallcore fags who like to wear X's, or have them in their screen names, or whatever, even though they dont know what it means,
or say they are edge to sound tough...

Before you judge something, anything, do a bit of research...(I am NOT edge, but I actually looked this stuff up before I judged it)

listen man, thats cool you know more about straight edge than wikipedia.com, but you're not proving anything other than you know way too much about a silly topic

[EXHUMEtheDEAD]

Look, if they need some stupid lifestyle based upon a song by Minor Threat to cope with the world, then they are fucking morons. If they really need to follow this sought of lifestyle and act superior to people to "cope", then they clearly are not "coping" with the world because if they were they would not need to act as if they are chosen by some divine being. And so what if it helps them find people who share similar ideals? Paedophile chatrooms helps sick fucks from finding people with similar ideals, yet is that right?

You say some of the arguments here are uneducated. Well fuck you too then. Many of those who have been criticising straight edge actually do appear to have some knowledge of what it is all about. It is just that you do not appear to appreciate them disliking them and calling their arguments uneducated. That is fucking retarded, almost as retarded as calling someone's arguments about birth control uneducated simply because they do not agree with you.

And how the fuck is wearing a band shirt the same thing as going around with a fucking x drawn on your arm and dressing like these straight edge faggots? By wearing a band shirt all you are doing is showing that you like a band. It does not mean you follow the lifestyle associated with the stereotypical metalhead or shit like that. It just means you like a band or even just the shirt. Other than that, it is meaningless. However, going around with a baseball cap, bandana, a x on each hand and converse shoes does give a big clue as to what lifestyle you follow and does advertise it a hell of a lot.

Obviously, you didnt read my first post... "radical groups" and all

98% of the kids you meet who claim to be edge are not edge... they just pretend to be...

In this case... hate the player, not the game

[Lord_Octopus]

In this case... hate the player, not the game

lol

[Willith]

Look, if they need some stupid lifestyle based upon a song by Minor Threat to cope with the world, then they are fucking morons. If they really need to follow this sought of lifestyle and act superior to people to "cope", then they clearly are not "coping" with the world because if they were they would not need to act as if they are chosen by some divine being. And so what if it helps them find people who share similar ideals? Paedophile chatrooms helps sick fucks from finding people with similar ideals, yet is that right?

You say some of the arguments here are uneducated. Well fuck you too then. Many of those who have been criticising straight edge actually do appear to have some knowledge of what it is all about. It is just that you do not appear to appreciate them disliking them and calling their arguments uneducated. That is fucking retarded, almost as retarded as calling someone's arguments about birth control uneducated simply because they do not agree with you.

And how the fuck is wearing a band shirt the same thing as going around with a fucking x drawn on your arm and dressing like these straight edge faggots? By wearing a band shirt all you are doing is showing that you like a band. It does not mean you follow the lifestyle associated with the stereotypical metalhead or shit like that. It just means you like a band or even just the shirt. Other than that, it is meaningless. However, going around with a baseball cap, bandana, a x on each hand and converse shoes does give a big clue as to what lifestyle you follow and does advertise it a hell of a lot.


LOL! I didn't like the kids post either, but, you went off the deep end.
Comparing Straight Edge kids to PEDOPHILES***? If he didn't have a reason to say your argument was uneducated before, he certainly does now--Even aside from all the grammatical errors and prolific use of the word "fuck".

[Cannibalistic_Horror]

LOL! I didn't like the kids post either, but, you went off the deep end.
Comparing Straight Edge kids to PEDOPHILES***? If he didn't have a reason to say your argument was uneducated before, he certainly does now--Even aside from all the grammatical errors and prolific use of the word "fuck".
I did not meant to compare paedophiles to straight edge kids. I was just saying that there lifestyle is not unique in the fact that it can allow them to communicate with people who have similar ideas. The reason for the prolific use of the word fuck was mainly due to the fact that I was a bit pissed off at the time of writing.

[EXHUMEtheDEAD]

I did not meant to compare paedophiles to straight edge kids. I was just saying that there lifestyle is not unique in the fact that it can allow them to communicate with people who have similar ideas. The reason for the prolific use of the word fuck was mainly due to the fact that I was a bit pissed off at the time of writing.


why would you feel the need to get pissed? I am merely trying to have a debate...

I just dont understand how everyone here can be so hypocritical...
You say its gay and retarded that someone promotes thier lifestyle...

Hmmm....?
SO I guess Cattle Decap is gay and retarded for promoting veganism...
OR Morbid Angel, Behemoth, Deicide, and many other bands for promoting thier religious or anti-religious beliefs
OR Napalm Death and Phobia for promoting their political and social comentary...

You only dislike Straight-Edge because you think scene kids are gay and you hate Hardcore dancing... and Im sure some of you also dislike it because you hate Hardcore... I dont here any critisim of these bands, because they are ones people like and within your scene, which YOU PROMOTE... cept from Crucified Coma in the past...

Your arguments are uneducated because they are ripe with insults and baiased ideas... not to mention Hypocrisy...

[deathmetaljohn]

You only dislike Straight-Edge because you think scene kids are gay and you hate Hardcore dancing... and Im sure some of you also dislike it because you hate Hardcore... I dont here any critisim of these bands, because they are ones people like and within your scene, which YOU PROMOTE

yeah thats one of my major issues with it and as said before i dont like being told that my lifestyle is wrong as i do not shove my beliefs down anyone elses throat. on the point that we promote the music your right, we promote the music for the underground bands so they get more exposure but i dont think anyone ever expected to goto a show and have their blood pressure double because the new fans dont know how to behave, i wouldent even care so much about the way they dressed if they didnt hardcore dance during the DM bands or if they didnt have such shitty attitudes. i still think the problem is the way these shows are being booked

[deathmetaljohn]

Thats all about the crew ideology... they are, for all intents and purposes, a gang... and one with a mission to control local Hardcore scenes and bring down local Metal scenes( an old animosity from back in the 80's)...

Crew are dicks and punks, who manipulate one of Straight-edges major themes of standing up for what you believe in...

i will agree with that but isent a simple solution to stop bringing these crowds togeather by booking the shows the way they are?

[Larry David]

SO I guess Cattle Decap is gay and retarded for promoting veganism...
OR Morbid Angel, Behemoth, Deicide, and many other bands for promoting thier religious or anti-religious beliefs
OR Napalm Death and Phobia for promoting their political and social comentary...

pretty much, yeah. but here's the difference: i can tolerate a band talking about veganism in their music. i cant tolerate someone walking down the street in a "I'm vegan and > You" t-shirt.

[Cannibalistic_Horror]

why would you feel the need to get pissed? I am merely trying to have a debate...
I was pissed off with something else at the time. I rarely get pissed off with debates on the internet. But seriously, there is a difference between freedom of speech and advertising. Cattle Decapitation promote their lifestyle in a way which presents their point of view and allows the listener to decide whether or not they agree with it. Meanwhile, straight edge kids go around with 'x's on their hands and go around with a "holier than thou" attitude. That is more like advertising than merely expressing their opinions.

[EXHUMEtheDEAD]

i will agree with that but isent a simple solution to stop bringing these crowds togeather by booking the shows the way they are?

It wont stop international acts from doing it...

For example, when Suffo took out Despised Icon... DI appeal to metalheads and Hardcore kids, bringing both... and if Hardcore kids are there, then Crew is not far behind... and crew will still show up, even with no Hardcore bands on the bill, just to start fights...

The best way to end it is for the cops to put these crews on thier list of gangs and start busting them up... or for the more mature, older members to pull their head out of thier asses and get things organized...

[Secreted Flesh]

, straight edge kids go around with 'x's on their hands and go around with a "holier than thou" attitude. That is more like advertising than merely expressing their opinions.

And all straight edge kids do this?? Seems like you got a "holier than thou" attitude towards straight edge "kids".

Oh and when i brought up the shirt thing, the point I was trying to make was why it would be cool to wear and cattle decapitation shirt and that wouldnt be trying to make a statment or push and belief, but wearing a casey jones or carry on shirt would make someone some x wearing holier than thou asshole.

[deathmetaljohn]

It wont stop international acts from doing it...

For example, when Suffo took out Despised Icon... DI appeal to metalheads and Hardcore kids, bringing both... and if Hardcore kids are there, then Crew is not far behind... and crew will still show up, even with no Hardcore bands on the bill, just to start fights...

The best way to end it is for the cops to put these crews on thier list of gangs and start busting them up... or for the more mature, older members to pull their head out of thier asses and get things organized...

thats unfortunate, i cant stand bands like despised icon mainly because of the crowd they bring out and no im not being judgemental or anything its just that one of the most important things about metal is the live shows and people are fucking it up...its really disheartening

[Willith]

One of the funniest things I've ever seen live was when Despised Icon played in Minneapolis a few months ago, on the Morbid Angel/Behemoth tour.

No one moved. Not one muscle. Everyone just stood there and stared at them like they were lepers. You could tell it really got to them and they almost looked depressed.
Serves 'em right though. They're some of the most obnoxious people I've ever seen on a stage.

[deathmetaljohn]

hahah thats great see thats what im talking about morbid angel, behemoth and despised icon, you gotta be fucking freebasing to put DI on that tour

[EXHUMEtheDEAD]

hahah thats great see thats what im talking about morbid angel, behemoth and despised icon, you gotta be fucking freebasing to put DI on that tour


DI owns... some of the nicest guys and best bands making music right now...

Obnoxious on stage? why, because they dont just stand still and headbang?
I hate it when bands do that... try to at least look like your having fun, not just doing some job...

[Willith]

DI owns... some of the nicest guys and best bands making music right now...

Obnoxious on stage? why, because they dont just stand still and headbang?
I hate it when bands do that... try to at least look like your having fun, not just doing some job...


I'm all for bands getting into their music on stage. I love it. The worst thing a band can do, is go all Walt Disney. A great live performance would drag me to see just about any band of most genres. They were obnoxious because they were pacing back and forth on stage like they were in some sort of a hurry. Whenever they had a free moment one of the vocalists would always make some obscene jesture like sticking the microphone in front of his crotch and sticking his tongue out and bobbing his head up and down. That is obnoxious. I think the overwhelming majority of people at the show would be compelled to agree with me on this one.

No one accused them of "not being nice".

[consumetheforsaken]

Thats all about the crew ideology... they are, for all intents and purposes, a gang... and one with a mission to control local Hardcore scenes and bring down local Metal scenes( an old animosity from back in the 80's)...

Crew are dicks and punks, who manipulate one of Straight-edges major themes of standing up for what you believe in...


it seems like non-straight edge internet people get way more upset about straight edge stuff than actual "edgers." While it may not come through in the lyrics, most of these bands have a live and let live type attitude towards everyone.

I was at a hardcore show in Toronto last week and nearly all the bands were straight edge, but there were people in the audience drinking and others that were straight edge too and there were no fights, namecalling or anything like that.

People were just enjoying the music, not concerning themselves with others personal politics/ideology.

[Larry David]

it seems like non-straight edge internet people get way more upset about straight edge stuff than actual "edgers." While it may not come through in the lyrics, most of these bands have a live and let live type attitude towards everyone.

I was at a hardcore show in Toronto last week and nearly all the bands were straight edge, but there were people in the audience drinking and others that were straight edge too and there were no fights, namecalling or anything like that.

People were just enjoying the music, not concerning themselves with others personal politics/ideology.
first of all, the entire basis of punk and hardcore is formed on being snotty and in your face as well as speaking up to whoever opposes you and your beliefs. either the people at your show are pussies or the bands playing weren't really hardcore. all i know is that if i was someone who strutted around and took so much pride in "straightedge", i would be damn sure to tell someone about it. but, seeing as im not, i could really care less either way.

[Lord_Octopus]

Even Mackaye himself has denounced "edge". That's pretty funny. The genesis of the movement has forsaken you all. He wrote a song for the sake of writing a muthafuckin' song and I quote, he's "embarassed that people took it as a movement." And for the last time, fuck Long Island.

[CunTyrOtstUMp]

And all straight edge kids do this?? Seems like you got a "holier than thou" attitude towards straight edge "kids".

I fuckin love you.

[consumetheforsaken]

first of all, the entire basis of punk and hardcore is formed on being snotty and in your face as well as speaking up to whoever opposes you and your beliefs. either the people at your show are pussies or the bands playing weren't really hardcore. all i know is that if i was someone who strutted around and took so much pride in "straightedge", i would be damn sure to tell someone about it. but, seeing as im not, i could really care less either way.

thanks, punk rock guru. The wisdom you handed down from on high really helped me. Dumbass, how about uniting under the banner of hardcore music as a whole, as there are bigger fish to fry than soritng out "who is edge and who isnt." Bands that are straight edge just for edge's sake are a little short-sighted, but punk bands that are straight edge for real political/ ideological reasons make a lot more sense.

[Bukkake Tsunami]

thanks, punk rock guru. The wisdom you handed down from on high really helped me. Dumbass, how about uniting under the banner of hardcore music as a whole, as there are bigger fish to fry than soritng out "who is edge and who isnt." Bands that are straight edge just for edge's sake are a little short-sighted, but punk bands that are straight edge for real political/ ideological reasons make a lot more sense.
no they dont

[consumetheforsaken]

no they dont


oh, i see. yeah, good call. i was wrong. apologies, apologies all around.

[Bukkake Tsunami]

oh, i see. yeah, good call. i was wrong. apologies, apologies all around.
you are forgiven. new subject

[consumetheforsaken]

haha, awesome.

[cats_with_knives]

Even Mackaye himself has denounced "edge". That's pretty funny. The genesis of the movement has forsaken you all. He wrote a song for the sake of writing a muthafuckin' song and I quote, he's "embarassed that people took it as a movement." And for the last time, fuck Long Island.

source me on that.

ok...there are some people that are straight edge (like me) and there are some people that are sXeomgomg. obviously, crews are just there to taunt and portray straight edge as "Holier than thou." Sure, you might catch me with a T-shirt that says XXX or Straight edge, or X-ed up hands, BUT ONCE IN A BLUE MOON, NOT EVERY FUCKIN DAY.

im also getting sick and fucking tired of people that drink and do drugs saying im forcing my beliefs down their throat, but when a non straight edger tells them to quit, they agree. i dont get what the hell is up. i try to help and they shit on me...fuck that.


Straight edge is supposed to be something you belive in. if you didnt drink, do drugs or any of that stuff, and wasnt straight edge, people would get the feeling you really werent for being drug free.(dont even give me the "but they dont wanna be labled" bullshit.)

just as vegetarians call themselves that. if you werent sympathetic to the animals, you would just say i dont eat meat. not "oh, im a vegetarian, but i fucking hate the shit outta animals.".


if anyone wants to debate me, do it.
i want to see if anyone has anything else to say.

[wassupfool]

jesus christ man, you guys are hilarious, you argue about the dumbest shit.... and i know what you're gonna say, " well get the fuck out then " but goddamnit kids being straight edge is not a fucking big deal, it really seems like you guys just hate everything anyone stands for that isnt you.......embrace others beliefs and respect the shit.....i've never once had a straight edge kid push his beliefs onto me....though i am "straight edge" it wasnt because some one totally cornered me and threw his way of life all into my face..........i mean shit............but it is not wrong for someone to support or represent what they believe in......and it is the exact same thing with wearing a bands t-shirt.........or any sort of memorabilia. I don't wear x's on my hands or anything, but i do have a belt that says "drug free" anything wrong with that, in your opinion?

[MattG]

Just my own two cents, If you want to play heavier music, is it really necissary to bring in christianity and edge? the last time I checked, the whole punk rock vibe was about voicing your opinions and beliefs, and was an open forum for that....If you want to talk about straightedgeness, veganisim/vegitarianism/christianity (which personally, I think should not be a part of hardcore and or metal...just my opinion), then so be it.....its about voicing your opinion through your music, IE cattle decap writes about veganisim/animal rights with death metal/gore so be it....

[MILKMAN666]

Just wondering what a lot of you here have against straight edge. I am straight edge but its not like im some two steppin' try to kick anyone's ass who isn't fasioncore only listen to hardcore/metalcore shmuck, and neither is every straight edge person.

I'm pretty sure just by the way you describe yourself that you AREN'T a target of peoples comments. . .but its the two-stepping floor ninja's who cant fit into little sis's panties and are stuck on their horrible excuse for a "musical revolution"

And to throw my 2-cents about band t-shirts:

Wearing a cattle shirt would be legit.

Wearing a cattle shirt. . .having nothing but cattle/other gore band shirts in your closet. . .would be fucking gay. There seems to be alot of this with that horrible thing people call Tool?

[Silent-As-I-Am]

I don't do drugs, eat meat, nor am I promiscuous, however I don't consider myself straightedge. I purposely don't associate myself with the movement because I feel it has been diluted from when it originally started. Not only that, I have to shadow what many of the people here have said that social movements like straightedge are often corrupted and so on and so forth.

I really think that the comparison between wearing a straightedge shirt and a band shirt is a better comparison than many are giving it credit for.

I mean, sure, it only represents that you like a band, but you also have to realize that all the media you take in is directly effected by your worldview.

Here is an example, my grandma is a lifelong catholic. Lets say that in some crazy world she somehow comes across a Darkthrone demo, and she ends up enjoying the shit out of it. She figures out though that Darkthrone are ardent and vocal anti-Christians, satanists even!

Knowing my grandma, even though she may like their music, she would never ever wear a Darkthrone shirt because of their anti-christian views.(haha..okay..so that one was a stretch...)

A better example would be the fact that reguardless of the possiblity of me liking a NSBM band, since I do not share the views they portrayin their music, nor do I agree with the violent stance amny of them take, I would never wear a shirt from one of those bands.

But I mean, the truth of it is that musical taste can reflect real personal traits, because often times your music prefernce is subject to your personal worldview.

It's just like a straightedger will never wear a Budweiser shirt, and a drunk frat boy would never wear a straightedge shirt.

[MILKMAN666]

Anyone who has to shout out to the world what group. . .movement. . .social class. . .ect. . .they are a part of, should be cut, gut, beaten, and eaten.

and yes, you CAN quote gorerotted there.

[gorerotting]

aren't gorerotted veggie eaters as well ?

[Cody]

A lot fo straightedgers I talk to say that they don't want their loves to be ruined by the stuff.
It's all about self control. If you can't control yourself enough to stop after a few beers, or to stop yourself from drinking every day, then you are weak and stupid.
SxE is just like religion, its for those who are weak and lack self control.

[gorerotting]

whats the matter with cuttin lose with a couple of beers if one wants to ?

are you saying someone who gets drunk is automaticly stupid ? I maybe get drunk three times a year - max - I foresee no problem with that .

[Cody]

I'm not saying that you're stupid when you get drunk, although many people end up being so, I'm just saying that you're stupid if you don't have the ability to know when to stop. If you want to get shit faced now and then, that's no big deal. But if you don't see the line between getting piss drunk a few times a year and being a raging alcoholic, you are aren't too bright.
It's all about having self control, and knowing when and when not to use it.

[gorerotting]

[QUOTE=Cody;2391292]I'm not saying that you're stupid when you get drunk, although many people end up being so, I'm just saying that you're stupid if you don't have the ability to know when to stop.

Wrong my good sir , that is called addiction , not stupidity . Lots of intelligent
people are addict's .

[Cody]

[QUOTE=Cody;2391292]I'm not saying that you're stupid when you get drunk, although many people end up being so, I'm just saying that you're stupid if you don't have the ability to know when to stop.

Wrong my good sir , that is called addiction , not stupidity . Lots of intelligent
people are addict's .

Well, I guess it boils down to your view on addiction. I know some people who would be considered addicted to certain things, but it's not necissarily a problem. Because I think even a lot of people who are addicted can see when they are going overboard.
It's all up to your view of where things become a problem.

[gorerotting]

well said

[comorbid]

some people who drink, do it to belong;
but all people join movements do so to belong