all of the decent guys

[Bradford]

do you ever get bummed about life once in a while, and kind of wish there was something more, meaningfull i guess is the word?

i don't know, can anyone cope with me on this? i feel bored as fuck with my life and feel like it doesn't consist of enough...

[indigent]

Have kids, you won't be saying that anymore.

[XMATTHEWX]

kids are overrated

[DeathIsIn...]

hmm, fuck everything, just do exactly what you want to do that makes you happy. if you are pressured to go to college or something, and you dont want to, then dont. do what makes you happy.

[XMATTHEWX]

all they do is eat sleep shit and whine

[Bradford]

kids are overrated


NO

and to josh..i would but right now, i am only 16..i can't even get my license for another fucking three months due to FL laws.

so basically right now i don't even have a job which is frustrating because i don't have any control over it.

[DeathIsIn...]

what makes you happy?

[Lusitania]

yeah i hear that. maybe you should do more shit, keep yourself busy. job, girlfriend, school, band.... you know. that kind of stuff.

[Hoovooloo]

Ever since I realized religion is nonsense I've had that feeling.

[Bradford]

what makes you happy?


passions.. including golf ( yeah fucking hahahaha everyone :-/ )

photographyyyyyyy

i want to go to college, it's just taking too fucking long. i just want to basically have a life and get out from where i live right now. i just think i am "ready" to have a life of my own. i should get emancipated.

[Bradford]

but then again i have it so good. and that would be retarded.

[M. Diddy Oien]

i've been feeling the exact same way lately. like nothing in my life is exciting any more. its all the same old bullshit. i was feeling a lot like this a week ago, but since i went mini golfing and to a show i felt better. you just gotta get out and do something spur of the moment. get some excitement going.

[DeathIsIn...]

yeah me too, you kind of realize that your life doesnt actually mean anything. you're just an animal that is far more developed than all the other animals. when you die, you die, your body just decomposes. im suprised more people dont kill themselves.

[Captain Amazing]

Dude I don't have a job, or work, and I live with my parents and I'm 22.

I'm too god damned lazy to do anything but bitch about it haha. Go play golf you bastard. I love golf.

[FASSW_alex]

yeah dude i know what you mean. I'm 17, and sometimes it feels like every day is fucking exactly the same, and pointless. I get pissed off at school a lot, fretting over small shit, but it's not so important in the long run. Just try to get out, get a job, try to stay occupied. Get your work done with school or work or whatever, but make sure to balance it out with chill time.

[Velcrophagist]

there is not a single morsel of decency on these forums.

[Bradford]

Dude I don't have a job, or work, and I live with my parents and I'm 22.

I'm too god damned lazy to do anything but bitch about it haha. Go play golf you bastard. I love golf.


well at your age that isn't really acceptable. that's lame, sorry.

but "deathisin..." that was a little too deep. i don't believe in what you just said. i'm "somewhat" of a christian and believe there is an afterlife. it's not a matter of that.

[EASTWOOD]

enjoy every bit of life when your young. it only gets worse. im 22 and have been working full time since 9th grade. i wish i woulda enjoyed my life a little bwtter than worrying about money

[Bradford]

yeah i hear that. maybe you should do more shit, keep yourself busy. job, girlfriend, school, band.... you know. that kind of stuff.


school, doing... girlfriend...fucking grounded after yesterday. and gah i'm just in a pensive mood right now,

thanks guys :hbang32en

[Bradford]

enjoy every bit of life when your young. it only gets worse. im 22 and have been working full time since 9th grade. i wish i woulda enjoyed my life a little bwtter than worrying about money


so you are saying to just kind of "suck it in?"

[mayhcaek]

yeah me too, you kind of realize that your life doesnt actually mean anything. you're just an animal that is far more developed than all the other animals. when you die, you die, your body just decomposes. im suprised more people dont kill themselves.

I would not be surprised if you feel bad about your life if you think so ignorant like this.

[DeathIsIn...]

just do what makes you happy, i dont really know what to say. sorry. : /

[Bradford]

no worries. thanks.

[Velcrophagist]

i'm "somewhat" of a christian and believe there is an afterlife. it's not a matter of that.

Isn't there a period of your life where you're suposed to question your faith and all that blah blah. Is it really questioning your faith if its already written in scripture that " Sin will try and lead you off the path to righteousness blah blah" like, its built in to the religion itself so even when you do hit hard times you're just like "well okay I guess I'm at that part now, wooo hoo i'm Christian still!"

I dont know if i'm making much sense but I fucking hate that idea.

[Bradford]

i can't wait for sean or ryan to come on and be like " OmGehz you Faggortz. kill your self n00b l0L pwn3d."

[Bradford]

Isn't there a period of your life where you're suposed to question your faith and all that blah blah. Is it really questioning your faith if its already written in scripture that " Sin will try and lead you off the path to righteousness blah blah" like, its built in to the religion itself so even when you do hit hard times you're just like "well okay I guess I'm at that part now, wooo hoo i'm Christian still!"

I dont know if i'm making much sense but I fucking hate that idea.


i don't read the bible. i know their is an afterlife. a creator and yes. simply that

[FASSW_alex]

Just go do a pound of blow, man, you'll be fine.

[DeathIsIn...]

i wish there wasnt this set of shit you HAVE to do to survive in the u.s. if i dont want to go to school i shouldnt have to. but you need an education... if i dont want to work i shouldnt have, its my life i should be able to do what i WANT to do. but i need money... i dont know.

[Bradford]

Just go do a pound of blow, man, you'll be fine.

you're a dumbass

[Hoovooloo]

Bradford, can I get a fullsize of your av?

[mayhcaek]

Haha. Well obviously if you don't want to go to school or want to work or simply get something accomplished then you don't want a life. Such a lazy, ignorant view on things.

[BZM]

start searching for knowledge and READING.

Find the answers.

But mostly, this guy seems right:

Haha. Well obviously if you don't want to go to school or want to work or simply get something accomplished then you don't want a life. Such a lazy, ignorant view on things.

[Lusitania]

dude just one thing, try and enjoy your life as much as possible. i'm only 20 right now, and i look back to when i was 16, 17, 18 and i think, how the fuck did it go by so fast? i'm sure the older guys here can say the same thing about being 20.

[Velcrophagist]

beleiving in a creator and in the afterlife is not christian per se. Its a Monotheistic outlook shared by several religions.

[Savior]

Brad, you should start smoking crack. It'll do wonders.

[EASTWOOD]

so you are saying to just kind of "suck it in?"

not sure what you mean but if your 16 and feel that your bored then you got a problem. at 16 i was working full time and still going to school. i was brought up to be reliant on money. i wish i woulda done alot more wih my time. now im in a rut because im 22 and havent done much with my life. i feel that im gonna waste my life away doing the same old shit. i want to travel or move away from my current residence but i just cant seem to get myself motivated. im just saying from experience to enjoy every bit of life that you can at your age because it catches up quick to you. id start by getting off the internet. ive tried but i get drawn back to this place for some reason

[XMATTHEWX]

not sure what you mean but if your 16 and feel that your bored then you got a problem. at 16 i was working full time and still going to school. i was brought up to be reliant on money. i wish i woulda done alot more wih my time. now im in a rut because im 22 and havent done much with my life. i feel that im gonna waste my life away doing the same old shit. i want to travel or move away from my current residence but i just cant seem to get myself motivated. im just saying from experience to enjoy every bit of life that you can at your age because it catches up quick to you. id start by getting off the internet. ive tried but i get drawn back to this place for some reason

correction: you were working PART-TIME at 16

[EASTWOOD]

correction full time. i worked at my local supermarket 32 hours a week. the most you can work part time in massachuseets as a student. i also worked at my dads gas station about 10-15 hours a week. my town is one of the few full service towns left. so i might not of been working 40 hours at one place but i was putting in 40 hours worth of work

[bobbydanger]

i wish there wasnt this set of shit you HAVE to do to survive in the u.s. if i dont want to go to school i shouldnt have to. but you need an education... if i dont want to work i shouldnt have, its my life i should be able to do what i WANT to do. but i need money... i dont know.

it's called welfare.

[Shawn]

do you ever get bummed about life once in a while, and kind of wish there was something more, meaningfull i guess is the word?

i don't know, can anyone cope with me on this? i feel bored as fuck with my life and feel like it doesn't consist of enough...
I know what you mean.

[keep dreaming]

oh man you guys, this shit was happening to me months ago, but then i started reading about religion, and ive changed, seriously. i mean, you dont even have to read that far into it, just find something basic, like, if ur school has a religion course just find out what books they cover, pick one up and read it on your leisure time. i do that, as well as read about history. right now im on the crusades, cause of the whole religion thing, because i think its interesting how people take religion and construe it in such a way to make war part of gods wish. christianity in the middle ages up until the reformation is really really interesting. if you read it, i guarantee you will become a devout christian, in your own sense of the word, anyways. like christianity isnt about believing that someone rose from the dead and went to heaven for our sins, i mean its nice to put a story to the morals, but christianity is what you make of it on your own terms.

[Shawn]

Lately I just try not to think about a lot of shit because that is what gets me down.

[bobbydanger]

some lady once told me the things it's impolite to talk about in public
politics
religion
michael jackson

and i gave her a weird look.

[keep dreaming]

ah shit, ok i just found this email i sent to my mom a while back, after i had done some thinking. i wrote it to my mom because shes a hardcore catholic after she divorced my dad (ironic, like shes begging for forgiveness). spare the hate, at the time i found it interesting to email my mom about it, because her and i used to have hour long arguments about religion because i was a non-believer. honestly ever since this "change" in me ive been so much happier, and i live alone haha.


Hi mom, im writing to share some good news with you. I'm a Catholic. It's 1:41 in the morning and I've never been happier in my life because for once i finally understand. I understand it all, I understand everything. For so long ive questioned religion and the existence of such, but I finally understand now. It doesnt matter what the Bible says, or what the stories say, because its all in my heart. Faith is in me now. I always questioned it, and i simply just looked at the problem: if religion existed why is there evil? How can people kill in the name of God? How can we say that religion is real when we twist it so often for our advantage?
But how am I going to learn by simply looking at the problem?
Today I was reading for my Religion class in a book on the Reformation of the church in the 1500's. When i first signed up for the class, I told my teacher that I was agnostic, that I thought there was something but i just couldnt beleive it, and that I questioned it all. Next week I'm going to go and tell her that I've changed.
The reading was about two different passages in Christian history. Martin Luther, who became the leader of the Protestant sect of Christianity, which broke off from the Roman Catholics, noticed all the wrongs of religion, just as I am now. He saw the corruption, the twisting of words, etc. So he sat down and he studied and he read, and he reformulated the Christian ideology. His main points were on justification and salvation through God. He said that, you must only have faith in God, have open confession of his beliefs, and truly encompass those beliefs. Through this and only this can we receive justification. On the other side of the Protestant idealogy was the Council of Trent, which began reformulating the Roman Catholic viewpoint. They believed that through BOTH faith and good deeds, we can achieve justification and salvation through God.
The reason this proved to be the awakening for me is that, all the symbols and metaphors and stories and passages of the bible teach you one thing... faith. It's all one big test, it tests your will, your intellect, your determination. When you question it, then you lose all faith, and the whole idea becomes fuzzy, which is why you cannot see past the problems in the first place. But if you sit down, and you read and you take a look at what all the stories are about, what the purpose of God is, what the purpose of jesus was, it's all the same lesson. You have to have faith, it's inside you, and you have to bring it out. Someone is testing me mom. I think someone is watching over me, and they are keeping me alive. Remember when i was choking on the plum seed in Syria, and no one could help me until i finally threw it up. What if i died that day? I could have. But i didnt, someone was watching me and the seed fell from my mouth. And I was supposed to pick myself up and believe, right then and there. But i didnt. After rutgers, I should have woken up and used my failings as a way to pick myself up and try and believe in myself. Someone gave me another chance here at LaSalle, and I've taken it for granted. All of it makes sense to me now. We fall because we are being tested. When you read of how Jesus cured an ailing man, or cast demons from someones body, it's a sign. Maybe I'm right, and maybe those stories are fictional, because we know there is no cure for leprecy, and people who are mute, are simply mute. We know the biology of it. But that isn't the point of religion. The point is believing in yourself. The point is, falling down, and getting up and being thankful, and saying I've been given this chance, so I will make sure I do good on it. Jesus is a sign that we can still have faith and find peace with ourselves, and who we are. Thats what it is. It all makes sense mom. That's why people started asking questions, why are we here? where are we from? And regardless of how the story goes, its all the same lesson. Were here to live our lives to be closer to God. And what is God? God is happiness, confidence, faith in ourselves, being able to pick ourselves up, and at the end of our lives, if we've kept this faith, we will be saved.
WHen i think of the image of Christ on the crucifix, and how its everywhere here in my school, in every single classroom, even the biology rooms, the dining hall, its all a reminder. Keep your faith, keep believing. In church when they put a huge crucifix, it's a reminder for everyone, it reminds us why were here. I want to go to confession as soon as I come home, and I want to try and go to church on Sundays. I want to read more about it, it just makes complete sense to me now. Anyways, its after 2 and I have class in the morning. Bye mom.
Sami

[BZM]

amen, man.

i think it's awesome that you've found a reason to have faith :)

[bobbydanger]

lucky.
i have this horrible "over-analytical" mindset and it drives me crazy because one minute i don't know what to believe. i'm kind of cynical sometimes, it sucks.

[keep dreaming]

haha yeah, now my mom is attacking my musical taste tho :(

[DeathIsIn...]

fuck the bitch.

[bobbydanger]

haha yeah, now my mom is attacking my musical taste tho :(


i just played my music loud and made her get used to it.

[teh Mazn]

repression helps me a lot.

i always just try to think positive and look at the positive aspects of simple things. i love the fact that i am simply ALIVE and given this chance to live. enjoy it dude. just because you're bored doesn't mean your life has no direction. you just have to find something to do man.

[indigent]

dude just one thing, try and enjoy your life as much as possible. i'm only 20 right now, and i look back to when i was 16, 17, 18 and i think, how the fuck did it go by so fast? i'm sure the older guys here can say the same thing about being 20.

*Says the same thing*

[Shawn]

lucky.
i have this horrible "over-analytical" mindset and it drives me crazy because one minute i don't know what to believe. i'm kind of cynical sometimes, it sucks.
I know exactly exactly what you mean. This is something I wrote on a myspace blog once (lol)


(I didn't re-read this after I typed it, or before I just put it in this post so sorry if its real gay)






I am and always have been a thinker. Everything I encounter I analyze and put infinite thought into. Most of me and my history has turned into some kind of theory on this or that. I love this about me. I love that I can make connections to things and just make things make sense. This also makes me very opinionated and argumentative.

People say I come across as a know-it-all, but I don't think I am. I am well-educated, and generally don't talk about something if I don't know what I am talking about. I also LOVE to learn. I absolutely love it. I sit at my computer all day, and I pretty much just read about shit. Call me a nerd, go ahead. As such, when someone says something that is incorrect I correct them. This makes people think I am a know-it-all, and an asshole.

I am a very complicated person. As I said I have taken most of my personal experiences and been able to make of them something more. I've learned so much that I am able to make connections, I am able to make assumptions, and I am able to get answers. Things make sense to me. I am rarely left with questions wondering why. When I am I answer them with because statements as I have been taught. This is how I go through life now. Why...? Because.... The problem with this is, when you view life as a mathematical equation like that, things change from experiences to data, statistics, evidence, and theories. I have been euphanized to the farthest extent a person could. I don't actually feel anymore because of how I view the world around me. Its like everything that happens, everything a person does or says I can find a reason for, and as such I don't feel any emotion because of it.
Most people would argue with me and say I am either very angry or very depressed. Truth is, I am not. I get pissed off, yes, but I don't feel. I dont know how to describe it. I don't form opinions because I don't feel. I instead collect information about both sides, and could argue both sides.
This is one of the biggest contributing factors to why people thing I'm an asshole. Because I do collect information from both sides, and I do love to argue (it comes naturally. When someone makes a statement I like to make them support it) I am often found going against the grain. I know so many different things, and so many different perspectives, that just about anything a person does I can oppose. You may think "ok, what does that have to do with this?". Well, when the majority of people believe one thing, and you have the information to oppose, as well as the mindset where you believe people should be as educated as possible before picking a side, you tend to be hated by people, because you will naturally oppose. People think I'm just a non-conformist, but really I'm not. I argue with the majority to maybe cancel out the ignorance. As a result, I take on the roll of the opposing side and do begin passionately defending that belief. Or when people turn arguments into personal attacks I have to defend myself.
Also, because of the way I view my own life, I have become desensitized. Things don't effect me like they should. When that girl was having a child porn video made of her, I didn't feel sadness. Hell when Hurricane Katrina hit, I didn't feel a damn thing. When I get called an asshole I don't get insulted. When bad shit happens to me, I don't feel. Because of this people hate me. In our society you are SUPPOSED to feel this or that in response to this or that. Maybe its that when you've learned as much as I have, you become desensitized because in all honesty, the world is full of tragedy. People will always be dying and thus the world will always be tragic. I think I've accepted this and have come to terms with it. When bad things happen now I'm not sad because I understand.
This insensitivity allows me to find things funny that maybe I shouldn't, but rather than make this longer than it is, I'll write about that in another blog.

All in all, a lot of people think I am an asshole. Those who knew me before I became this way (which I really think there is only one of those people left, and it is doubtful she will read it) know that this isn't really how I am. Deep down there is a part of me that could care less about what makes what right, what information connects to what, or all of the "answers" to the world's problems. Deep down there IS a part of me that just cares. I really want to bring that part out again. I need to do what it takes to bring it out.

The problem is, what will it take? I cannot give up my cognition. It just isn't possible. What do I need to do? Do I/should I just give in and accept what goes on? Isn't this like a manual lobotomy? I don't think it is neither healthy nor possible to just give up one's inner self and just transform into what people think you should be once you have become such an established individual. The cruel truth of it is that I am just another face in the crowd, but I don't feel that way. Hell that's even what my long hair is about. I need some way to not be just another face in the crowd. When you don't look the same, people tend to realize that your ideas aren't the same. But isn't this what all this is about? NOT resisting? I just can't comprehend becoming braindead like that. Maybe that is my biggest flaw. As much as I may understand so many different things, I cannot understand that. I am completely ignorant to it because I have never been a part of the crowd. I've never had the chance to follow the crowd.

One of the things that sparked all of this was that I have to cut my hair soon if I want to land a pretty damn good job at Medinah Country Club. I'm going to be a busser at weddings and banquets at $8.00 an hour(at least) and that will open me up to becoming a normal busser, and then maybe even a server, or possibly a well-paid caddy this summer. Interestingly enough the same night I was informed about the job I had a completely unrelated conversation with someone about everything I have talked about (being emotionless), and then today I hear one of my classmates talk about all of the things he has in his life due to what he did. For example, taking opportunities when jobs are thrown your way.
Because of all this I think I might be coming to terms with the fact that I need to enter the real world and deal with life at some point. I can't be Holden Caulfield forever. High School is ending, a new life is about to take place, and I've been so busy doing the things above that I think I may have missed out. I often thought that there was no room for a person like me in this world.

No doubt I've learned a lot from all this (statistically speaking and otherwise), but it needs to change. I need to do something. I'm not completely sure what that is right now. I kind of resent myself for it, but I've become exactly what I said I never would. I would never lay down. I would never give up the "good" fight. I would never give up what I believed made me me. I would never become a shirt and tie worker bee. I would never succumb. But I need to. I AM Holden, and this may be the end of my fall.

[keep dreaming]

i just played my music loud and made her get used to it.


haha yeah my brother and i made her listen to the man land. she just laughed :duh:

[pale666]

Seriously, we really, really need to have a big BTBAM-board members function, smoke a fuckload of drugs and just make sweet sweet love. This board is just getting too depressing and over-analytical towards everything.

[Hoovooloo]

Let's get it ooooooooooonnnnnnnnn.

[BZM]

i call rhett. i've always wanted to have an altarboy fantasy come true.

[Hoovooloo]

Fag!

[KaffeinE]

oh man you guys, this shit was happening to me months ago, but then i started reading about religion, and ive changed, seriously. i mean, you dont even have to read that far into it, just find something basic, like, if ur school has a religion course just find out what books they cover, pick one up and read it on your leisure time. i do that, as well as read about history. right now im on the crusades, cause of the whole religion thing, because i think its interesting how people take religion and construe it in such a way to make war part of gods wish. christianity in the middle ages up until the reformation is really really interesting. if you read it, i guarantee you will become a devout christian, in your own sense of the word, anyways. like christianity isnt about believing that someone rose from the dead and went to heaven for our sins, i mean its nice to put a story to the morals, but christianity is what you make of it on your own terms.
personally, reading about the crusades made me feel a bit less like being a christian. funny how people are still fond of the crusades.

[teh Mazn]

I CALL MITCH! after i saw the pic of his ass on myspace, i knew i would one day blast my man j00s all over it.

[pale666]

I CALL MITCH! after i saw the pic of his ass on myspace, i knew i would one day blast my man j00s all over it.
just as long as I am receiving I don't really care who takes me.

[teh Mazn]

HAHAHA

dude my wang is pretty huge. i hope you have good l00b.

[RyanFelix]

I've been pretty bummed about my job. I'm one of the shyest dudes you'll ever meet in person, and I've spent almost every hour of the last 7 months at my job without saying a single word to anyone. People are always socializing there, I just hang out in the lunchroom and play Tetris on my breaks, haha. It sucks. Being shy fucking sucks. If you're not a shy person, you should feel very blessed.

[teh Mazn]

ryan? shy? does not compute.

[RyanFelix]

It's easy to be outgoing on the net when nobody is actually looking at you, hahaha.

[teh Mazn]

yeah you're right. come on ryan! open up your heart to me, baby!

[BZM]

It's easy to be outgoing on the net when nobody is actually looking at you, hahaha.

I know exactly what he means. I'm one of the shyest fucks on the planet too, lol.

It's the whole hearing peoples voices and them looking at you thing. On the net, you have an almost infinite amount of time to respond. and you can be playing guitar or whatever at the same time that you're chatting with someone.

[KaffeinE]

Wow, I'm shy too. Let's have the shyest gay threesome ever.

[teh Mazn]

u guyz r teh gh3y

[pale666]

haha, chicks dig shy dudes.

[teh Mazn]

haha, chicks dig dudes with big wangs.


yep!

[pale666]

nope!

[Bradford]

Bradford, can I get a fullsize of your av?


yeah just IM me dude.

moreofmetokil,

i am always online due to internet schooling

[Bradford]

im not sure what it is, but a lot of you guys think similar to my beliefs and my mindset in general. i don't know what it is, but for some reason we seem all mature than our age. in a sense... our humour, FUCK NO, immature shit, but it's funny haha, that doesn't matter.

but when we are serious and discussing a matter, we seem to speak like we KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS UP. and yall aren't pulling this shit out of your ass, you know what you are talking about.

i just think it's weird. i mean, did you guys experience something to make you grow up/mature faster? i had a personal experience in my life that basically added +2 years on me at least. i know a few of you guys have had it hard, which leads me to believe that, that is the reason you guys are so well rounded...inside that is.

[Bradford]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/bradwhite008/vero010.jpg

[BZM]

A lot of people listen to heavy/brutal music to reflect negativity in their own lives, but it's not in the form of sympathy so it isn't percieved as playing off of their weaknesses. Any number of things could contribute to it, bad early childhood, tumultuous family relationship, etc. etc.; for me, I had a really rough time adjusting to the world and the general apathy of others; especially at an early age (elementary school and onward). I have a great family though; that's probably the only reason why I'm not totally insane and scarred from past experiences. But, I bet if you were to post a poll, more than half of the people here have divorced parents. I know you weren't talking about music, but, I think that's what drew most of us to this forum.

Unfortunately,trauma in general is the only catalyst for maturity and wisdom, it seems. If there was no reason to grow up, we'd stay immature little selfish brats forever!

[Bradford]

A lot of people listen to heavy/brutal music to reflect negativity in their own lives, but it's not in the form of sympathy so it isn't percieved as playing off of their weaknesses. Any number of things could contribute to it, bad early childhood, tumultuous family relationship, etc. etc.; for me, I had a really rough time adjusting to the world and the general apathy of others; especially at an early age (elementary school and onward). I have a great family though; that's probably the only reason why I'm not totally insane and scarred from past experiences. But, I bet if you were to post a poll, more than half of the people here have divorced parents. I know you weren't talking about music, but, I think that's what drew most of us to this forum.

Unfortunately,trauma in general is the only catalyst for maturity and wisdom, it seems. If there was no reason to grow up, we'd stay immature little selfish brats forever!

under all of your "Assholeness" you are pretty smart.

and 100% correct.

[nubzfromok]

A lot of people listen to heavy/brutal music to reflect negativity in their own lives, but it's not in the form of sympathy so it isn't percieved as playing off of their weaknesses. Any number of things could contribute to it, bad early childhood, tumultuous family relationship, etc. etc.; for me, I had a really rough time adjusting to the world and the general apathy of others; especially at an early age (elementary school and onward). I have a great family though; that's probably the only reason why I'm not totally insane and scarred from past experiences. But, I bet if you were to post a poll, more than half of the people here have divorced parents. I know you weren't talking about music, but, I think that's what drew most of us to this forum.

Unfortunately,trauma in general is the only catalyst for maturity and wisdom, it seems. If there was no reason to grow up, we'd stay immature little selfish brats forever!

True. But I was drawn to rock/metal/whatever because I just find it to be better than rap/pop/almost anything on radio. Plus I can't dance, rap, or beatbox that well.

[Velcrophagist]

I dont even remember the 1st realiztion I've had so far, but my mom does. We were driving somewhere, she was running errands or something. I just turned to her and said "I am thinking all the time." and then I learned how to whistle, do long division and I just started genrally doing really well in school. Prior to that I was failing. The only reason why I didnt fail grade 4 is because my parents were still making the calls. Its like a switch was flicked on in my head. Personally I think life is just a big thought experiment.

[Orkestra]

I have Major Depression (Manic) and Generalised Anxeity Disorder, so half the time I'm constantly worried, paranoid and a general misery to be around. The other half im to busy being an idiot to care. It's tiring worrying all the time, it's killing me.
It's got better in the last year, I found somone who understands and cares for me, I love her ever so much... im trying to get 2 essays done in the next 7 days so I can go home and see her, I can't wait for that! :D
I often have to read emails or text messages through even after sending them just incase I have said something wrong and can prepare myself for stuff, just incase. Hence why I post on here, i try and just not care about what I write, but i've already written this through once.
Im pretty low today, my psychology tutor didn't show up to a meeting (how appropriate) and i thought I had somehow let him down so he didn't show, or arrived at the wrong time. He was stuck in traffic I learned later when he emailed me, but i had already wasted 30mins waiting for him.
I know you guys don't give a shit, but I thought during my break from this essay I would write some tat on here so you could all ignore it.

[Manwë]

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people on this board are headcases.

[keep dreaming]

personally, reading about the crusades made me feel a bit less like being a christian. funny how people are still fond of the crusades.


the crusades, to me, is where i stop and think at what christianity really is about. it is true that during the middle eages, bishops, priests, hell even the POPE was corrupt. actually the pope would take all the money from churches in order to pay off his mistresses and illegitimate children. but thats why the reformation came about in the 1500's, and the split between roman catholic and protestant came about. at the same time that protestant decided, this isnt what we want, and formed their own basis, the roman catholics at the council of trent came up with a brand new ideology. it just goes to show that religion is not set in stone, its available for the user to define in their own ways. however, using it for your advantage is corruption and not what its about. religion is about finding faith with the god inside you and believing in yourself, which is the only way you could die happy, if u think about it, and go to your own personal heaven.

[Orkestra]

im pretty sure the majority of people on the internet are headcases

[nubzfromok]

Such insight on the topic of religion makes me want to read the book, instead of watch the movie.

[nubzfromok]

im pretty sure the majority of people on the internet are headcases

Roughly 89%.

[Shawn]

I've been pretty bummed about my job. I'm one of the shyest dudes you'll ever meet in person, and I've spent almost every hour of the last 7 months at my job without saying a single word to anyone. People are always socializing there, I just hang out in the lunchroom and play Tetris on my breaks, haha. It sucks. Being shy fucking sucks. If you're not a shy person, you should feel very blessed.
I know what you mean. It can really suck because even when you decide to just go talk to people, you are kinda awkward and dont really know what to say.

[indigent]

You're all a bunch of fags.

[keep dreaming]

dont be mean

[indigent]

Grow some balls.

[Unsung]

i know exactly what you mean, it sucks, but like everything else, life move's on and so does the feeling

[burnedalivebytime]

shit sucks , always has , always will .

[Bradford]

^^lame excuse for depression...i'm sure you feel like cutting your wrists with that mentality.

[keep dreaming]

Grow some balls.


Have a heart, sweetie :emot-hand


Sometimes when shit sucks i put on Misery Signals - Worlds and Dreams cause its pretty.

Teehee

:emot-danc :emot-gigg :emot-chee :emot-hug: :emot-woot :emot-high

[Obswalq]

Life...

It ain't nothin' but bitches and money.

[pale666]

A lot of people listen to heavy/brutal music to reflect negativity in their own lives, but it's not in the form of sympathy so it isn't percieved as playing off of their weaknesses. Any number of things could contribute to it, bad early childhood, tumultuous family relationship, etc. etc.; for me, I had a really rough time adjusting to the world and the general apathy of others; especially at an early age (elementary school and onward). I have a great family though; that's probably the only reason why I'm not totally insane and scarred from past experiences. But, I bet if you were to post a poll, more than half of the people here have divorced parents. I know you weren't talking about music, but, I think that's what drew most of us to this forum.

Unfortunately,trauma in general is the only catalyst for maturity and wisdom, it seems. If there was no reason to grow up, we'd stay immature little selfish brats forever!

This isn't true at all to me.
I'm trying to reword this in 20 words or less and all I can make is
"we listen to heavy/dark/death music because we have been depressed due to past events."
I started getting into heavy music I think in 2000 when I read the lyrics to EndThisDays - Lily White and Blood Red. They changed my life.

[indigent]

I listen to heavy/dark/death music because I dig the music, not because of depression or hate or anything silly like that.

[DeathIsIn...]

i like teh br00tal music cuz its fun, gets me pumped, and i just like it. not b/c im dark and depressed.

[BZM]

All the reasons I listed are in the subconscious. And I said "a lot of people", not all people.

So, stfu.

[keep dreaming]

hey is that your real eye in your avatar?

i listen to what sounds good to me, whether thats classical or "i will kill you all" music, but i do agree that a lot of people are attracted to it on a subconscious level.

[teh Mazn]

i listen to maetal for quite a number of reasons. sometimes when i'm happy i listen to it because i simply don't want to hear anything else at that given time. sometimes when i'm pissed off i listen to it and get really into it to release any aggression i might have built up. sometimes there are reasons behind it but sometimes there are not. it all depends on what kind of mood/what kind of day i've had.

[Unsung]

i listen to music when im happy
i listen to music when im sad
i listen to music when im angry
i listen to music when im not feeling anything

[teh Mazn]

lol basically.

[BZM]

hey is that your real eye in your avatar?

i listen to what sounds good to me, whether thats classical or "i will kill you all" music, but i do agree that a lot of people are attracted to it on a subconscious level.

yes, it's my eye.

[Orkestra]

... so... so you're looking... you're looking at all of us? ALL THE TIME WERE ON HERebjasflahfasfafadfvb am vapdg8w-45k2mtfdvzvfsadhelp

[Orkestra]

wow... in the above post I managed to type both 'sad' and 'help'


I think that sums up this whole thing...

[BZM]

you better fear the all-seeing eye, baish.

[Orkestra]

eeep!

[Bradford]

haha

[skin_blanketed]

One thing that i've never understood about people and religion is why they feel that it's necessary to categorize their faith. Why do people insist on calling themselves Christian, Jewish, or Muslim? I think the next big step in human evolution will be psychological. People will realize that religion is a coping device. People in general need to believe that there is something greater out there. I'm of the opinion that introspection is the key to happiness. You have to become comfortable with who you are as a person. Low self-esteem is the reason that most of you are unhappy. There was a two month period that i did very little but sit and think about how much i hate myself. This was the first time that i had allowed myself to truely see what the problem was. Before this i had blamed everyone else for my unhappiness. In those two months i felt enough hatred for myself to last the rest of my life. That was the most "religious" experience of my life. And it was based on hate. Ironic.

I know a lot of this seems pretty random but whenever religion and personal beliefs are discussed all these things automatically jump into my head.

[BZM]

One thing that i've never understood about people and religion is why they feel that it's necessary to categorize their faith. Why do people insist on calling themselves Christian, Jewish, or Muslim? I think the next big step in human evolution will be psychological. People will realize that religion is a coping device. People in general need to believe that there is something greater out there. I'm of the opinion that introspection is the key to happiness. You have to become comfortable with who you are as a person. Low self-esteem is the reason that most of you are unhappy. There was a two month period that i did very little but sit and think about how much i hate myself. This was the first time that i had allowed myself to truely see what the problem was. Before this i had blamed everyone else for my unhappiness. In those two months i felt enough hatred for myself to last the rest of my life. That was the most "religious" experience of my life. And it was based on hate. Ironic.

I know a lot of this seems pretty random but whenever religion and personal beliefs are discussed all these things automatically jump into my head.

too bad people are willing to die for their faith, just because they think it's the "right" one, so no one's ever going to come to your realization. all wars are fought for one of two things: faith, or land.

[ttfaashred]

i've been feeling the exact same way lately. like nothing in my life is exciting any more. its all the same old bullshit. i was feeling a lot like this a week ago, but since i went mini golfing and to a show i felt better. you just gotta get out and do something spur of the moment. get some excitement going.

I shaved my head and bought the same lip ring as the guy from disturbed. OOOHWAHAHAHAHA! All in spite of them, I hate em....... so now I look like them.

[bobbydanger]

baish.

i didn't know that other people said "baish" too. pretty sweet.

[teh Mazn]

One thing that i've never understood about people and religion is why they feel that it's necessary to categorize their faith. Why do people insist on calling themselves Christian, Jewish, or Muslim? I think the next big step in human evolution will be psychological. People will realize that religion is a coping device. People in general need to believe that there is something greater out there. I'm of the opinion that introspection is the key to happiness. You have to become comfortable with who you are as a person. Low self-esteem is the reason that most of you are unhappy. There was a two month period that i did very little but sit and think about how much i hate myself. This was the first time that i had allowed myself to truely see what the problem was. Before this i had blamed everyone else for my unhappiness. In those two months i felt enough hatred for myself to last the rest of my life. That was the most "religious" experience of my life. And it was based on hate. Ironic.

I know a lot of this seems pretty random but whenever religion and personal beliefs are discussed all these things automatically jump into my head.

that was actually a really good rant.

[keep dreaming]

Religion is a coping device because it answers the questions we cant. Why are we here, what happens next, what happened first, etc. etc. All it's supposed to do is give you faith and hope in yourself. Personally, I don't listen to the stories of Jesus rising from the dead and all that mythical stuff. To me, it's just a story, the bible is just a story, full of parables, metaphors, and lessons that you can apply to yourself in order to build up faith in yourself. The key word is yourself. When you say I believe in Jesus, I believe in his ways, in doing good, etc., it's just fortification for yourself to be a better person, the type of person Jesus was.

For example, in two years I have never gone to confession. I have lied and lied and lied and I hurt a ton of people around me, including my family as well as myself. And it seemed to never end. They say that people are afraid of the dark, or of ghosts, or things of that nature because they are hiding something deep within them. I had a ton of guilt and wrondoing on my back. So Easter weekend I went home, and I went to confession, and I spilled everything. I did'nt bother that there was a priest listening to me, I didn't bother with the prayers afterwards, because I knew the priest was there just to motivate you and make it seem like youre really repenting to God. But all you're doing is repenting to yourself, which helps so much more than you think. Try it sometime. Just go to confession, and let it all out.

[burnedalivebytime]

^^lame excuse for depression...i'm sure you feel like cutting your wrists with that mentality.

...

[BZM]

...

I hope you DO slit your wrists, it would save us all a lot of headaches.

[Bradford]

I hope you DO slit your wrists, it would save us all a lot of headaches.


ouch


shea!

[!WaR]

"stories about Jesus raising from the dead and all the mythology." HAHAHA. Christian means Christ-man...Christianity is the only "religion" in the world where you can be redeemed (by the laws/requirements/regulations descirbed in the religion, not just my opinion) and be able to see God face to face without blemish or shame...it's the only religion where God took human form and walked the earth and was able to see life and pain from our point of view. These aren't "fairy tales" and "myths" even Yeshua's enemies tried to cover his ressurection up...if you do not want to belive in Christ, fa sho, by all means enjoy your life, but please don't spread fallacy and your confusion upon others, fucking disease. Jews are a people, the religion is called Judaism, and there shouldn't be anyone left in this group...they failed to connect their old testa. prophecies with Yeshua...and are still waiting for a Messiah, bwhahahahaha. Muslims believe in the Old testament but partways with Christ...they don't believe He was God in the flesh...so they think Christians are polytheist, which is t3h wrong!!!

[keep dreaming]

what??? if you want to attack me at least do it coherently, and by using english. your statements are obviously part of what is wrong with religion these days, and thats criticizing people and the way they have faith. i guess u also believe u have the right to persecute because all other religions are wrong and dumb and meaningless? but who the fuck are you to make that claim, unless you're jesus himself just stfu. im not going to believe what you want me to believe. i have no idea what your points are about judaism and islam. seriously if this is such an important manner to you get off the fuckin weed and make some fuckin sense.

[burnedalivebytime]

God is not fucking real guys .

[Unsung]

hmmm, this call's for MUSIC!!!!!!!


*the wheel's on the bus go round and round"

[Unsung]

God is not fucking real guys .

Think, Don't Pray


off topic, but reminded me of that shirt:)

[!WaR]

What in the fuck are you spouting about? I didn't attack anything...you said Jesus' resurrection was a "fairy tale" and a part of mythology...that is your opinion based apart from what Scripture saids...so you have something against Scripture, that's cool, many people do. I judge no man, except you, because you're a phag, ahhhh just joshin'...i have friends of all religions and faiths, Christianity, the religion, states that if you believe in Christ and His Resurrection, you shall not perish, there is no other figure like this in any other majorly known religion. I'm not saying this because im trying to make you believe in Christianity (which is what i think you misunderstood in my first post), but because that's what Christ stated, i can't go against what Christ saids, it isn't bright. You need to read more carefully and calm your panty twisting down.

[keep dreaming]

well you said i was a "fucking disease". talk about panty twisting..

[!WaR]

The "disease" is spreading fallacy and incorrect information from Scripture, people who have never read it or fail to understand the passages usually hold the most opinions...

[BZM]

God is not fucking real guys .

And I bet you hate him for not existing, too.

The logic is strong in this one.

[!WaR]

t3h sup3r g3nius3s d0nT n33d a stoop1d GawD!

[Bradford]

listen

there is a god. there is a creator of everything around us. just THINK about it..

the bible is all a bunch of nonsense in my opinion, way too much of it is meant to be metaphorically taken, and i don't like that.

whether or not God "Controls" the happenings on this earth, i don't know,

but i do believe in destiny and therefor i have faith in God. i believe there is a road that we will all take in life. and it is just up to us, but at the same time it will come to us.

i don't know, i try not to get involved and claim im a "this" or a "that" i am catholic by baptism but i think the catholic church is the biggest croc of bullshit since shit. it's a bunch of scandal's and dissolute acts in my opinion.

[Bradford]

i think we all can be individualists, and that we were made to be individuals, not think the same as any other "believer"

that's my opinion, the way i look at it is literally, to each his/her own. but all signs lead to .... there is such thing as a higher being.

[!WaR]

Why would God want us to be exaclty the same, and think the same, and worship Him the same? Worshipping God and then creating a religion to worship a "god" are two entirely different things. The Bible is amazing to say the least...the catholic church is the scariest thing on this planet, do you see how people chase after the pope? I do not believe in any sect or denomination, you cannot divide a body, so the churches shouldn't be seperated.

[Unsung]

Religion causes more blood, death, and hatred then anything

[!WaR]

Religion is man-made...point your finger towards man and his failures...

[SHE'S HEROIN]

"We are all brothers in metal we already rule the world now" - Matthew Chalk

isn't that all that matters?

[BZM]

Religion is man-made...point your finger towards man and his failures...

exactly. man wrote the bible, man started the crusades; if you want to see what's enslaving the world and slaughtering millions, just look to the person next to you. Mankind is what's impure and evil, right to the core. But, there's that little voice in your head that steers you towards things like compassion, hope, and good will. Guess who.

[Bradford]

agreed religion is man-made, but faith is NOT

[burnedalivebytime]

What in the fuck are you spouting about? I didn't attack anything...you said Jesus' resurrection was a "fairy tale" and a part of mythology...that is your opinion based apart from what Scripture saids...so you have something against Scripture, that's cool, many people do. I judge no man, except you, because you're a phag, ahhhh just joshin'...i have friends of all religions and faiths, Christianity, the religion, states that if you believe in Christ and His Resurrection, you shall not perish, there is no other figure like this in any other majorly known religion. I'm not saying this because im trying to make you believe in Christianity (which is what i think you misunderstood in my first post), but because that's what Christ stated, i can't go against what Christ saids, it isn't bright. You need to read more carefully and calm your panty twisting down.

holy shit you're a fucking idiot .

[Bradford]

i don't know that christ was real.
hell that might even be a fucking metaphor.

[BZM]

if there was never a messiah then the apocalypse would have already happened. there's no other way a race as selfish as humanity would be allowed to exist; without divine intervention, we're a disease.

[Shawn]

holy shit you're a fucking idiot .
how was that idiotic at all?



Lets put it this way.



Religion is good in the sense that generally speaking it gives people a set of boundaries not to cross and a sense of morality. You could point at the crusades and a lot of other shit and say it also gives a reason to kill, but I think over the course of history more people have probably done great things due to religion than detrimental things.


Nobody could ever say for sure if Jesus was ressurected, if Moses parted the Red Sea, if Muhammed recieved the word from Allah, or really a lot of the things in religion that involves faith. That is why it is called faith. The whole idea behind religion is that you follow blindly, but truly believe that you are following the right path. For many many people this gives a sense of identity and purpose in their life. Again not a bad thing by any means.

Quite frankly I think it is hard to not be religious. You can look around all you want for "truth" and it just isn't comprehensible. We can't test it, and we can't prove for sure whether one theory is correct or whether another is. For most people who I would consider "intelligent", it is an ongoing struggle that often lasts their entire life. Even when people convert to a religion they often still have questions. That is part of a lot of religions. That you will have questions, that we are meant to have questions. In Judaeism, the questions serve as a test of faith. You are meant to follow and do your duty and not question. But I think any person with any intelligence will wonder where they came from, why they exist, what they are supposed to do with their existence, and what will happen when they no longer exist.

It is too hard for most people to sit there and say to themselves "I dont know, and I don't care". I'm not sure if it is a good thing that we question or not. It destroys a lot of people's lives. That is a lot of what the movie Donnie Darko was about. The search for "truth" makes us all tragic heros in a sense. We are heros in that we are overcoming a trial and we want to save others by what we learn from the trial, but we are flawed because we will never actually figure out what we want to know.

Whether or not it is best to give up and not think about, continue the search, or "give in" and find religion I can't be sure of.

[BZM]

shawn just made a good post.

but really, i think people who believe in a faith owe it to themselves and to their god to always continue to ask questions, and continue to test just how strong their faith is, without resorting to pure ignorance. there's a difference between blindly following, and trying to see through the darkness with open eyes.

[teh Mazn]

"stories about Jesus raising from the dead and all the mythology." HAHAHA. Christian means Christ-man...Christianity is the only "religion" in the world where you can be redeemed (by the laws/requirements/regulations descirbed in the religion, not just my opinion) and be able to see God face to face without blemish or shame...it's the only religion where God took human form and walked the earth and was able to see life and pain from our point of view. These aren't "fairy tales" and "myths" even Yeshua's enemies tried to cover his ressurection up...if you do not want to belive in Christ, fa sho, by all means enjoy your life, but please don't spread fallacy and your confusion upon others, fucking disease. Jews are a people, the religion is called Judaism, and there shouldn't be anyone left in this group...they failed to connect their old testa. prophecies with Yeshua...and are still waiting for a Messiah, bwhahahahaha. Muslims believe in the Old testament but partways with Christ...they don't believe He was God in the flesh...so they think Christians are polytheist, which is t3h wrong!!!


he wasn't even antagonizing you or your beliefs. his point was that one must reflect upon one's self to realize the true meaning of it all.

[Shawn]

you guys should all take a world religion/philosophy class.


I'm in love with mine.

[Sudden Intoxication]

When people debate abt whether there is a god or not, they think abt the origin of the universe. Religious people usually dismiss the big bang theory because it doesn't explain where all the matter in the universe came from. Nonbelievers' usual response is that all the matter in the universe was always there; it always existed. Religious people usually laugh at this and say that there MUST have been a god to create all the matter in the universe, that it couldn't just have been there always. Then nonbelievers reply by asking when and where exactly this 'creator' was created. And then religious people reply that god was always there, because he is infinite.
Well, if you're gonna argue for an infinite god that always existed and created all the matter in the universe, why not just jump that small gap in logic and assume that the universe is infinite and that it has always existed?
I'll tell you why.
Because you don't know shit. You can't just make assumptions. For all we know there is a race of gods out there, each one with their own little universe that they have created, or some weird shit like that.

Btw, I'm catholic. And I choose to believe in what the vatican says, without even trying to explain the workings of the universe or whatnot. Why? Because i don't know shit. I trust my religion blindly, all of it. All the seemingly stupid little details, like confession, transubstantiation, etc. I eat all of it up. And i don't try to rebel or have my own personal take on religion. Because I don't know shit. And neither do you.

IMO you should either believe ALL of your religion, or none of it. If you're gonna believe that an infinite god created the whole universe, you might as well believe everything your fukcing church tells you. Or not at all. I just think it's pretty weak to try to bend your religion to your personal liking.

/rant

PS i love my religion

[Shawn]

well the idea of god, that is to say, the concept of what "god" is, is an infinite being. There are a lot of religions that don't believe in a judging, ruling god, but rather god as a force, or the idea of something that is greater than the rules of the universe that we abide by.

"God" is supposed to be infinte by definition. "God" is the answer and that is all there is to it.


I had more to say but I can't formulate it.

[keep dreaming]

Lets put it this way.......



.



thats exactly my fuckin point. idk why !war got all bitchy at me because i was saying that a majority of what is in the bible is parables and metaphors that are supposed to guide you in the right direction. thats what faith is. believing in yourself and doing what is right, and that will guide you down jesus' path. he is the highest role model. turn the other cheek, forigviness, hope, etc. youre telling me that "whats in the scriptures is what it means". ask ANY priest and if you tell him that youre supposed to take the bible word for word he will LAUGH at you. jesus did't give the blind man his sight back, faith made the blind man happy with himself, and through that he could see the glory. leprocy is incurable to this day, yet jesus cured the leper.

idk wtf your rant about judaism and how they should be around anymore was, thats all just bs. christianity came AFTER judaism. just because the new testament says things that the old testament doesn't, doesn't mean u take it literally. the world wasn't created in 7 days, thats a metaphor as well. man created the idea of religion out of questions he had about the universe, and about himself. the message !war is trying to get across is the type of christian that brought about shit like the crusades, basically this is wtf god said and if u dont think so then "youre a disease". wtf? did jesus not welcome non-believers and tell them to have faith? your words are the antithesis of christianity.

religion is about finding the truth in yourself. all of the parables and stories in the bible are meant to guide you through a path that is positive, helpful, compassionate, and believing in yourself. if you don't believe in yourself how do you expect to be happy when you die. the reason you repend for your sins is for inner peace with yourself, the image of god and jesus is simply there as a REMINDER. life is not fair, and we all go through shit, just like the blind man, and the man with the leper. but then people like jesus provide us with hope to live on, and through his sacrifice, we know that doing good deeds and following our inner faith we can reach personal salvation.

and about following faith blindly, and NOT questioning why/how/when/etc., a popular passage from the bible:


Acts 19:11 God did extraordinary miracles through Paul,
12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.
13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, "In the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out."
14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.
15 (One day) the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.


Simply following the faith because you see others doing it, is not faith, and is not christianity. if you want to follow in christs footsteps, youve gotta fully envelope it into your own life - compassion, help, selflessness, forgiveness. you have to BELIEVE that doing good is going to bring about change in yourself and others. simply preaching christianity, and saying you are a christian, yet you are simply blind and do not care to ask questions, makes you like those in the above parable. part of understanding religion and being a christian, is falling, failing, learning, and progressing.

[keep dreaming]

the only way youll find answers to anything in this world is by challenging it, by challenging your beliefs. its inside of everyone, no matter what religion you are. religion is just how you express it in your life. if you worship elephant gods or a man-like god, its just a matter of human expression, and it all means the same thing. the idea of religion sprang up across the globe on separate ocassions, in civilizations that had never come in contact ever. so saying that only 1 religion is right, is very irresponsible.

[teh Mazn]

you're wrong.

[Unsung]

lot's of typing

[keep dreaming]

Christianity, the religion, states that if you believe in Christ and His Resurrection, you shall not perish

simply believing that he died and rose on the third day isn't christianity. believing he died "FOR US AND OUR SALVATION" is the point. he rose from the dead as a signal that following in his path, keeping our faith strong and knowing that if we do good deeds and hold onto our faith, then we too will die, and be risen to heaven. once again, you take it too far into a literal sense, which is NOT the way the bible was written.

[teh Mazn]

Originally Posted by !WaR
Christianity, the religion, states that if you believe in Christ and His Resurrection, you shall not perish

well if !WaR had used the words HAVE FAITH instead of BELIEVE, you would have no argument.

by the way i was kidding with the "you're wrong" post.

[keep dreaming]

you're wrong.


tell me why, i know my ideas differ from others. my only point is that if you dont fall, how are you going to know when you've found faith? simply by saying so? if u dont question something, how will u know what the problem is and whether or not you've found the answer. its like starting with the number "4" but never thinking about "2 + 2".

why did jesus die?
what is the message?
what does christ ask of us?

see?

[teh Mazn]

by the way i was kidding with the "you're wrong" post.

[keep dreaming]

Originally Posted by !WaR
Christianity, the religion, states that if you believe in Christ and His Resurrection, you shall not perish

well if !WaR had used the words HAVE FAITH instead of BELIEVE, you would have no argument.

by the way i was kidding with the "you're wrong" post.


if he said -

"if you have faith in christ and his ressurection"

that says NOTHING about understanding WHY he died for us. believing goes along with the idea of faith, i get your point. but what im trying to say is that simply having faith in the idea of christ dying and his ascention to heaven does not mean you understand why he did so for us. i have faith in my mother to always love me, but WHY does she? jesus died for our sake, yes i believe that, but WHY did he?

[keep dreaming]

i apologize, i didnt see

[teh Mazn]

if he said -

"if you have faith in christ and his ressurection"

that says NOTHING about understanding WHY he died for us. believing goes along with the idea of faith, i get your point. but what im trying to say is that simply having faith in the idea of christ dying and his ascention to heaven does not mean you understand why he did so for us. i have faith in my mother to always love me, but WHY does she? jesus died for our sake, yes i believe that, but WHY did he?


well i didn't disagree with anything you've said until now.

that's the point of having the word FAITH and the word BELIEVE mean 2 different things. having faith means KNOWING something stronger. BELIEVING is more 2 dimentional thought, as opposed to 3 dimentional thought, as in FAITH.

also, you said," but what im trying to say is that simply having faith in the idea of christ dying and his ascention to heaven does not mean you understand why he did so for us."

really what's your point? your point is very simple and obvious, but that's not what faith is. faith is not a logical thing or feeling. faith is the UNCONDITIONAL belief in something greater than you.

[keep dreaming]

unconditional faith = blind faith

right?

[teh Mazn]

no. unconditional [yet educated] BELIEF = faith

[keep dreaming]

i just think in order to really have faith, you have to challenge it. take a look at all the greatest writers and contributors to christianity, martin luther, st francis, augustine, all went through periods of their life when they severely questioned christianity, and their best work came after they had a revelation from within themselves. i think that god challenges us with every day life here on earth to see if we can find the jesus within ourselves, in order to persist in a christian life.

[teh Mazn]

i agree with that, but i disagree with what you said above. notice my definition:

faith = unconditional [yet educated] belief

that means that after you become educated with said subject, you unconditionally believe it because you yourself have had an introspective revelation of sorts such that you would never be deterred from blieving anything BUT your own said faith.

is this cohesive?

[keep dreaming]

yeah i definitely agree with that. i think reading up on/educating yourself with christianity and the history of it and just basic theology goes hand in hand with challenging it. and by challenging i dont mean, fuck this shit its wack, i mean trying to go in depth and inquiring on why/how/when/what, which is, as you said, educating yourself. we have reached an accord. not a honda.

[mayhcaek]

It's unfortunate that the World of performance-based religion has created such an image of Christianity. I can tell by the blatant ignorace of this whole thread. True Christianity is not a "religion", if you will. The Bible isn't meant to lead us in a direction where we simply model our lives off of Jesus' life, but rather to develop a spiritual relationship with God. But, arguing about such matters really gets you nowhere. There is no way to prove or disprove that there is a God. But I do believe that having Faith and some sort of belief can enlighten your life a lot. Denying all existence will just lead you to have no sort of goals or any morals.

[keep dreaming]

all religions are created after a central theme. i dont know what that is, it's something inside every human. many evolve, taking on new ideas and whatever, christianity included. just one of life's mysteries, but it helps people cope and move forward.

[teh Mazn]

yeah i definitely agree with that. i think reading up on/educating yourself with christianity and the history of it and just basic theology goes hand in hand with challenging it. and by challenging i dont mean, fuck this shit its wack, i mean trying to go in depth and inquiring on why/how/when/what, which is, as you said, educating yourself. we have reached an accord. not a honda.


lol agreed.

and maychijhfoquaeh, i'm not arguing, just having a conversation.

[bobbydanger]

It's unfortunate that the World of performance-based religion has created such an image of Christianity. I can tell by the blatant ignorace of this whole thread. True Christianity is not a "religion", if you will. The Bible isn't meant to lead us in a direction where we simply model our lives off of Jesus' life, but rather to develop a spiritual relationship with God. But, arguing about such matters really gets you nowhere. There is no way to prove or disprove that there is a God. But I do believe that having Faith and some sort of belief can enlighten your life a lot. Denying all existence will just lead you to have no sort of goals or any morals.

thank you.
the way i have seen it, most world religions are extremely psychologically based.
you convince yourself that there's some way you can have an eternal afterlife of bliss. i have been rasied a Christian my whole life and now i'm beginning to wonder if Christianity is like that too. it's becoming very emotionally draining not knowing what to think. kinda sucks what i'm going through.

[mayhcaek]

lol agreed.

and maychijhfoquaeh, i'm not arguing, just having a conversation.

Yeah I know, you haven't been. But when burnedalivebytime began to simply say "God isn't real" and calling others idiots who have at least have some amount of support for their opinions, it really isn't constructive at all.

[pale666]

and so begins the dawn of arguing in circles about religious based ideals...

[BZM]

this entire thread needs to read "mere christianity" by c.s. lewis. it represents a lot of my own views and stances on Christianity, and imo, it's a VERY well-thought out and logically-appealing book that actually won me my life back.

[keep dreaming]

some religions are odd in their beliefs though. like the ancient people of south america would perform hundreds of sacrifices a day putting people on this "altar" and ripping their hearts out. if it wasn't beating, it wasn't good, and they had to grab another.


i dont think they practice that anymore though. still interesting to think what humans would do for what they believe in. i mean these weren't psychotic people, they were quite advanced being that they were able to live in the mountains yet still maintain crops and travel amongst villages. but dayum.. ripping peoples hearts out until you get a beating one...

[bobbydanger]

this entire thread needs to read "mere christianity" by c.s. lewis. it represents a lot of my own views and stances on Christianity, and imo, it's a VERY well-thought out and logically-appealing book that actually won me my life back.

it's also pretty tight to read stuff by lee strobel. he has a 3 book series where he tried to disprove Christianity for like 20 years and couldn't do it.

[mayhcaek]

this entire thread needs to read "mere christianity" by c.s. lewis. it represents a lot of my own views and stances on Christianity, and imo, it's a VERY well-thought out and logically-appealing book that actually won me my life back.

C.S. Lewis is simply amazing. People should also read up on Soren Kierkegaard and other 19th century German Philosophers who talk about the general concept.

[BZM]

C.S. Lewis changed my life by putting so many of my doubts to rest, and not with empty promises or far-fetched conjectures, but with the one thing that affects me: logic.

[keep dreaming]

it's also pretty tight to read stuff by lee strobel. he has a 3 book series where he tried to disprove Christianity for like 20 years and couldn't do it.


what is this called? sounds interesting.

im gonna check out the library for that c.s. lewis book. i need a good summer read. last year was "freakonomics" and "on bullshit". those were good books, if anyone cares.

[teh Mazn]

zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance is a really good read as well.

[keep dreaming]

does that have anything to do with zen and motorcycle maintenance? cause it sounds like the chapters in freakonomics. for example:


"schoolteachers and sumo wrestlers"
" the kkk and real estate agents"
"drug dealers living with their moms"
"what makes a perfect parent"
"perfect parenting II: or, would roshanda by any other name smell as sweet"

haha so random

[teh Mazn]

it's a book about philosophy and stuff. i haven't completed it so i don't want to spout off anything and have someone who has read it all to come in a make me look like a retard.

[keep dreaming]

what does the motorcycle have to do with it, or have u not gotten that far?

[!WaR]

Keep dreaming...didn't you read that i have friends of all different religions...including "witches", satanists...and atheist. How can i be like one of the Christians who was in the crusade...you're really a moron. The Crusades is where the "Christians" wanted to win back the Holy Land, and boot out the Muslims who had taken over...what does that have to do with anything i wrote? Who said the Bible is to be taken literal? Sighs...You must dig for truth, insane studying, Yahweh would not want cold robots, stupid, cold robots at that. What i meant about the Jews is that, since that had no belief in Yeshua that he was the King of the Jews...the're still waiting for Him...so the're stuck in ther old beliefs...which are void since Christ redeemed man to a better stage and a more spiritual "religion"...e.i Christianity. Christianity didn't begin with Christ's earthly teachings...if you read the Gospel of John, it states that "the Word was God"...the Word is another name for Yeshua/Jesus, He has always existed, since the beginning, He created everything...so Christianity is just as ancient. The world wasn't created in seven days, it was six, He rested on the seventh...hahah. One day with God is like a thousand years with man.

[teh Mazn]

dude, what the fuck were you trying to say there?

[!WaR]

what part? Pretty much everything you read is how it is. I was answering all that caca, dreaming kept stating incorrectly about my posts.

[pale666]

he just likes typing.
typing is g00d. haha

[!WaR]

t3h mad typ3s!

[Orkestra]

ithinkmyspacebarisbrokenbecausethisishappeningwowi tsactuallyquitetaxingtodothiswithouthittingthespac ebarorusinganypunctuationactuallythisisntmuchfunat allimsoboredsearchingforjournalsithinkimgoingtohav eananeurysm

[!WaR]

Basically this is what i said;
I am nothing like a Christian during the Crusades.
The Bible does not have to be taken literal in every single passage, you have to study hard to discern this.
Yahweh/God does not want robots as followers(people who worship without love or passion for God). The Jews of Christ's time did not believe He was God in the flesh, the Messiah, so they are still waiting for one. Judaism as a whole religion is still waiting, which makes their believe system outdated since Christ passed the religion into a New Covenant.
Christianity as a "religion" is not new, like people claim, Christ is eternal, that makes Christianity eternal.
The universe was not created in seven days, it was created in six. According to the book of Genesis. So yeah, that's what i said.

[pale666]

ithinkmyspacebarisbrokenbecausethisishappeningwowi tsactuallyquitetaxingtodothiswithouthittingthespac ebarorusinganypunctuationactuallythisisntmuchfunat allimsoboredsearchingforjournalsithinkimgoingtohav eananeurysm

omg you said myspace!

[Orkestra]

Consider that if God was actually Time... evolution would hold it's ground with religion and creationism; he could actually be everywhere.
TIME CONTROLS ALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

[keep dreaming]

.
The Bible does not have to be taken literal in every single passage, you have to study hard to discern this.

.....

The universe was not created in seven days, it was created in six. According to the book of Genesis. So yeah, that's what i said.


:duh:

[!WaR]

Yes...but one day with God is like a thousand years with man. (2 Peter 3:8) In the first parts of Genesis it's actually a rejuvenation of earth, and not the original creation. The universe is ancient, the earth is very, very old. When i said you have to study, it means just that, so you are able to discern when the author is speaking literally, symbolically, metorphorically, etc. Take this for example. You've heard of the story of Adam & Eve and the snake. Did you know there was no snake. If i called you a "snake" does it mean you're a literal snake? No, it means your character is shady and not to be trusted. See...i used my mind to discern that a literal snake is not being discussed...oh yeah, the snake was describing satan's character. Fa sho.

[nubzfromok]

*pulls collar* Wow. A hot button topic on religion. There are obviously a LOT of different opinions on whether or not there is a God. I for one believe there is, it's just that I'm too fucking lazy to go to church anymore, and the sermons are only 45 minutes max.

I believe there is a God, because he makes us laugh. Don't believe me? Just look at scene kids, uptight straight edge kids, uppity ass religious types (that have nothing better to do than shove religion and God down peoples' throats), and the vast majority of people on MySpace. It's honestly hysterical.

[RyanFelix]

I believe there is a God, because he makes us laugh. Don't believe me? Just look at scene kids, uptight straight edge kids, uppity ass religious types (that have nothing better to do than shove religion and God down peoples' throats), and the vast majority of people on MySpace. It's honestly hysterical.

What does god have to do with any of that?

[nubzfromok]

The way he creates people with the ability to think for themselves. And certain people take that ability and just take it to a certain extreme. I'm just saying.

[Sudden Intoxication]

hey guys, guys
since god is all knowing and all powerful maybe he only had to do one thing at the very beginning of the universe and everything unfolded the way he wanted to and the way he knew it would

!!!!!

lol

[BZM]

Yes...but one day with God is like a thousand years with man. (2 Peter 3:8) In the first parts of Genesis it's actually a rejuvenation of earth, and not the original creation. The universe is ancient, the earth is very, very old. When i said you have to study, it means just that, so you are able to discern when the author is speaking literally, symbolically, metorphorically, etc. Take this for example. You've heard of the story of Adam & Eve and the snake. Did you know there was no snake. If i called you a "snake" does it mean you're a literal snake? No, it means your character is shady and not to be trusted. See...i used my mind to discern that a literal snake is not being discussed...oh yeah, the snake was describing satan's character. Fa sho.

Not to mention in revelations, it plainly fuckin' states that the "dragon" is a DIRECT METAPHOR FOR SATAN. It says it right there in the text.

Ugh @ people that take the bible 100% literally

[Bradford]

agreed the bible isn't fucking LITERAL

[keep dreaming]

Not to mention in revelations, it plainly fuckin' states that the "dragon" is a DIRECT METAPHOR FOR SATAN. It says it right there in the text.

Ugh @ people that take the bible 100% literally


i still dont believe thats your eye :emot-roll

[Death_]

hte majority of you are white males living in a civilized country quit your fucking bitching

[Bradford]

hte majority of you are white males living in a civilized country quit your fucking bitching


*cough cough* i'm half spic bitch.

i'm darker than coffee.

[Death_]

my statement stands

[Bradford]

true you said most

[teh Mazn]

stfu, death.

[keep dreaming]

yeah seriously ugh

[indigent]

Hey Mason, how's the perfect pitch doing? I'm still super jealous.

[keep dreaming]

yeah mason hows that labia doing?

[preech]

yeah mason hows that labia doing?

are you missing chromosomes or something?

[teh Mazn]

Hey Mason, how's the perfect pitch doing? I'm still super jealous.


haha pretty good man. i tried to take an internet test on perfect pitch made by the university of southern california, but it was virtually impossible. even if you had a tuner you couldn't have made a 100 on it.

[keep dreaming]

you didnt answer my question mister.


and i have my XY chromosomes. its cool.

[preech]

and i have my XY chromosomes. its cool.


so you're just a creepy moron. :jerkoff1f

[keep dreaming]

YES CREEPY


(alaska)

[indigent]

haha pretty good man. i tried to take an internet test on perfect pitch made by the university of southern california, but it was virtually impossible. even if you had a tuner you couldn't have made a 100 on it.

Link?

[BZM]

i still dont believe thats your eye :emot-roll
why? what's so unbelievable about it?

[keep dreaming]

well you really took a picture of your eye for your avatar? idk.

what pretty eyes you have!
the better to see you with, my dear

[preech]

why? what's so unbelievable about it?
dont worry dude hes just shy about telling you his true feelings.......
















he loves your eye....and wants the surroundings for himself

[keep dreaming]

if u wanna know the truth, im obsessed with peoples avatars. call it a... guilty pleasure!?

like the thread.

[teh Mazn]

ok so it wasn't soCAL, it was UC san francisco.

http://perfectpitch.ucsf.edu/ppstudy.html

[BZM]

i actually did take a photo of my eye for the avatar and used a sepia filter on it. all the cool kids were doing it at the time (ryan, mircfool, and others; but they've since changed theirs to other shit, and i'm too lazy to find a new one)

[teh Mazn]

haha yeah that was a funny thread too.

[indigent]

Lol, that test is hard.

[teh Mazn]

dude it's insanely hard. and i am really good at having perfect pitch lol

[indigent]

How can you be good at it? Or better than someone else. Don't you either have it or you don't? I didn't understand that there were degrees of perfect pitchiotomy.

[teh Mazn]

here. i'll make a thread about it.

[Shawn]

It's unfortunate that the World of performance-based religion has created such an image of Christianity. I can tell by the blatant ignorace of this whole thread. True Christianity is not a "religion", if you will. The Bible isn't meant to lead us in a direction where we simply model our lives off of Jesus' life, but rather to develop a spiritual relationship with God. But, arguing about such matters really gets you nowhere. There is no way to prove or disprove that there is a God. But I do believe that having Faith and some sort of belief can enlighten your life a lot. Denying all existence will just lead you to have no sort of goals or any morals.
You're right. You are supposed to have a relationship with him, and this IS what happens when you become that born-again christian. You find truth in god and it does become a relationship of sorts. I think finding god and following Jesus as a role model are two different things.




And I'd also like to throw it out there that Jesus may have truly saved humanity from their sins in the form of creating millions upon millions of christian followers, the majority of which try to live decent lives.

[Shawn]

C.S. Lewis is simply amazing. People should also read up on Soren Kierkegaard and other 19th century German Philosophers who talk about the general concept.
Kierkegaard, and/or Rousseau.

[Shawn]

hte majority of you are white males living in a civilized country quit your fucking bitchingwhat the fuck does that have to do with anything?


Until you clarify...













WORST POST EVER.

[DeathIsIn...]

i agree. wow...that was retarted.

says deathisin............

[Death_]

i just read the begining of this thread and everyones nancey-pussing around like they have hard lives. if you have time to come on to a forum and say ''my life is hard'' then your life isnt hard. maybe i drink to much.

[Bradford]

i just read the begining of this thread and everyones nancey-pussing around like they have hard lives. if you have time to come on to a forum and say ''my life is hard'' then your life isnt hard. maybe i drink to much.

we weren't complaining dipshit

simply conversing about it.

[Death_]

do you ever get bummed about life once in a while, and kind of wish there was something more, meaningfull i guess is the word?

i don't know, can anyone cope with me on this? i feel bored as fuck with my life and feel like it doesn't consist of enough...


?

[Shawn]

i just read the begining of this thread and everyones nancey-pussing around like they have hard lives. if you have time to come on to a forum and say ''my life is hard'' then your life isnt hard. maybe i drink to much.
We weren't really saying our lives are hard or complaining.


I think all of us understand that we aren't poor-off. But that almost makes it worse as far as finding meaning because in middle class america, I think it is hard not to wonder what the fuck it is all about.

[Death_]

thats true.
im not gonna lie i spend all day wondering what the fuck is happening and why i get to eat food and fuck bitches when millions of others spend there life dying fast with disease and all that shit.
its rough.
were just lucky sons of bitchess