when will BTA do an album...

[paulrawnerve]

so, to my knowledge there are 2 two tracks and a split with orthrelm with 1 song on...

i appreciate a full album will probably take forever to write, but..
when? anything planned?
will it feature some/all of the songs previously released, maybe re-recordings?

:emot-whis

[Canadian Hunger]

so, to my knowledge there are 2 two tracks and a split with orthrelm with 1 song on...

i appreciate a full album will probably take forever to write, but..
when? anything planned?
will it feature some/all of the songs previously released, maybe re-recordings?

:emot-whis

we have released 2 EPs with 2 and 3 songs (respectively), and the Orthrelm split with 1 song. our plan is to next do a full album. we have 4 new songs written for it, two of which we've already been playing live, and two we are in the process of learning. we'll write one or two songs after that and then we'll be ready to record. i can't really say how long from now that'll be since there is still more music left to be written, and then who knows how long it'll take to learn. but i'm hoping to have the album out in the middle of next year. but shit always takes longer than you think it will...

colin

[Treebeard]

That sounds awesome. I so hope I can catch you guys in Lawerence.

[zyquix]

we have 4 new songs written for it, two of which we've already been playing live, and two we are in the process of learning. we'll write one or two songs after that and then we'll be ready to record. i can't really say how long from now that'll be since there is still more music left to be written, and then who knows how long it'll take to learn. but i'm hoping to have the album out in the middle of next year. but shit always takes longer than you think it will...

colin

So I take it you write it down on paper/computer theoretically or just by whatever sounds good, work on it until it's perfect, then physically learn it? I do that too, and I find it a wee bit embarrassing... Like there's this one song I have which I think is absolutely fuckin amazing (yeah, fuck modesty!), and I let a couple people listen to the Tabit MIDI, (including the great Ron Jarzombek since he had a great influence on it- the whole thing was written using the circle of 12 tones writing tool, no exceptions anywhere even on solos) and they all said it was incredible and a couple asked "Shit, can you play that??" and I reply with "Nope." But hey it's a pretty technical song (not as tech as BTA though, :D). I just finished (I think..) another, but mellower, song earlier today the same way. Not as tech and I already knew how to play some of it, but I still like it. Some of it is a bit Hunter Ginn-influenced, too :).

Shit I just love the sound of my own typing don't I?

Does anyone else write music like this?

[Treebeard]

So I take it you write it down on paper/computer theoretically or just by whatever sounds good, work on it until it's perfect, then physically learn it? I do that too, and I find it a wee bit embarrassing... Like there's this one song I have which I think is absolutely fuckin amazing (yeah, fuck modesty!), and I let a couple people listen to the Tabit MIDI, (including the great Ron Jarzombek since he had a great influence on it- the whole thing was written using the circle of 12 tones writing tool, no exceptions anywhere even on solos) and they all said it was incredible and a couple asked "Shit, can you play that??" and I reply with "Nope." But hey it's a pretty technical song (not as tech as BTA though, :D). I just finished (I think..) another, but mellower, song earlier today the same way. Not as tech and I already knew how to play some of it, but I still like it. Some of it is a bit Hunter Ginn-influenced, too :).

Shit I just love the sound of my own typing don't I?

Does anyone else write music like this?


I do. :)

I'm semi embarassed about it also. What I usually do is sit down at Guitar Pro with a idea in mind or I just try and make something up on the fly and I tab out a few parts, guitar and drums being the main ones. I very rarely know something I write before I tab it out.

Heh, I also show the midi files of it to my friends. :)

I would love to hear some of your stuff! Can you upload a midi thing or two to yousendit.com? I guess I could show you my crap if you want your ears to bleed.

[zyquix]

http://download.yousendit.com/0E02A0383396935C - Prototypical Methods

Maybe sooner or later I'll post the midi to the one I'm sort of working on/finishing up now. Enjoy. Let me know what you think, and that goes to anyone who listened to it not just Treebeard.

Sorry for stealing the thread haha.

[Treebeard]

OK, yes, that pretty much raped my face.

Pretty damn cool song you got there. How long did that take to write?

[zyquix]

I'm not exactly sure... but I think it was actually 6 months- way too long for one song if you ask me, but I really got stuck on some parts.

[Canadian Hunger]

why are you embarrassed by the fact that you write music on paper?

[zyquix]

Well, it's just because if I write a song and tell someone "hey I finished writing this one song", they'll be like "well record it and let me hear it!", I can't do it because the parts I wrote on computer I can't actually play yet, and to me it's embarrassing because it's my own song and I can't play the thing.

To you it might be different because you've already proven yourself with Spaceturtle and the others, so everyone knows how tech you guys are and how good it is, I've written only 2 full songs that I'm fully proud of and no one's heard them with an actual guitar. So if they have none of my songs to judge my talent by and then they hear that I can't play it they'd probably think "wow this guy really sucks". With people who write the same way, it's not embarrassing, but with like friends at school, their idea of music is all that green day or fallout boy or hardcore bullshit, it is because that's probably the idea they have in mind.

[PortraitofKarma1]

Thats really cool put up your other one when you get done with it.

[Treebeard]

I'm embarassed of writing stuff down first because often times I can't play what I write. :(

*sigh*

[Canadian Hunger]

i see. well when i write stuff i usually can't play it yet either. it usually takes about 8 months from a piece being completed to when it's ready to be performed. but hey--plenty of people write music that they can't play. that's not always the point. most composers in the classical world who write virtuosic music are not necessarily virtuosos themselves. they write music with a totally different performer in mind. and even if you write music with NOBODY in mind to perform it, it doesn't make it any less valid.

[PortraitofKarma1]

Can anyone put up a yousendit to the program that lets you make music then listen to it?

[zyquix]

Well thanks, that's a bit reassuring. What I do like about this method though, is that it pushes you to learn something you wouldn't normally learn if you're trying to play it and write at the same time.. I think that made sense...

and out of curiosity, did you check out my song? o:)

I'll upload the other one I finished the other day, the site isn't working for me for some reason..

Oh and there's a few different programs that do what you're describing.. I use Tabit, it's just easier, but some people prefer powertab or guitar pro.. Powertab is free, google it, I don't know the site. I'll upload tabit when I upload the song.

[zyquix]

http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=113ASBGORNIA30NSZ6TFKG4HPQ - "Evolution"

It's a lot more mellow and simpler than the other, it's a piano/acoustic piece.

(and to anyone that was curious, the Hunter Ginn-influenced drums are at 2:17-3:25, but it's more evident in the second part, starting at 2:58- It's more of the Spatial/Design era Hunter)

And about the Tabit, I don't know if this will work, just uploading the program but try it anyways. http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1XWEABRPPSJ4Q1BSSVNZQ2DX4R

[PortraitofKarma1]

Thats cool I like it, the TabIt didn't work but thanks for trying.

[Aaron Brooks]

Hey I tried to download that song but the yousendit deal didn't seem to work.

There's nothing wrong with writing music you can't play. I think rock people and especially metalheads are a bit too hung up on impressing people with their shred skills. Conlan Nancorrow wrote those impossible for humans player piano pieces and they are awesome.

[zyquix]

Hey, thanks for giving a shit. haha. especially in a dated thread. I'd upload them tonight, but I was actually tinkering around with the evolution song today, and I didn't finish. I'll upload both of them again tomorrow after I'm finished with them. It's finals week and I gotta start preparing for them.

[eyes0re]

I'm always interested in compositions. I spend a few hours a week trying to learn (and modify for playability on a 4 string bass) Sensory Amusia. Maybe one day, I be able to play it poorly, not quite poor yet. But it's hella more fun than learning another II-V-I song.

[zyquix]

So I changed the piano to I think FX rain or something... made it a little more ambient-ish. Oh and to prevent anyone stealing the midi, I recorded the midi, and made it a wav file- shitty thing is that it won't be as clear as it was when it was a midi. oh well. And if you didn't know what I meant by stealing the midi, well, I'd rather not say clarify that any more.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4E2FBFCA3B9AED00

new title ^Wandering Through Evolved Forms of an Audimension
(Audimension= made up word, Audio Dimension)
Oh yeah it's mono too, now.

Prototypical Methods
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=DB1C98567F85B70A

enjoy. let me know what you think.

[Aaron Brooks]

Hey I listened to "wandering." Pretty cool stuff. The only thing I'd say is it's a bit repetitive at times. However, I could see it working really well with a really good drummer and some dynamic pedal usage (i.e. don caballero type stuff).

[zyquix]

which part(s) specifically got repetitive? I'm gonna take a stab at maybe the ending and that part at 2:19-2:57.. That first repetition of the 2:19 part was mainly for the riff, and after that I wanted the bass to be more in the foreground. I was kind of already thinking about making everything else a bit quieter from the start and making the bass louder, since it's already at the highest volume.

[Aaron Brooks]

Hmm.. well it's not really that repetitive. I think it's just a personal preference thing. The intro is kinda repetitive (basically the same thing for 30 seconds). There are some parts where you vary the notes through sequences and such, but the rhythm kinda stays the same. Maybe try altering your rhythms more often? I dunno.. like I said i think it'd work really well live as is.

[zyquix]

alright thanks... I'm not sure if I got everything that you said, but assuming I did, I'll tell you a little about how it was made while boasting about myself a bit. :P

Throughout the song, notes slightly get added and taken away from the riff as the new riffs starts. So like the first section has 9 notes (the same notes in different octaves count as different notes) and the next section has the same notes except I think for one and 4 new notes, and the next (after the intro) has slightly changed notes again while keeping some of the previously added notes..So they're all connected by some common notes, but by the end of the song none are the same as the riff in the beginning... Which is why it was called "Evolution"-some things in animals are added and taken away, slowly changing as time goes on, but by the end it can be completely different. Also the title was backed by the fact that it's tense in teh beginning and middle and get to a more happier jazzy section. So yeah I wanted to keep that theme going on under this semi-strict guideline.